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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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EnglishBluebell · 20/05/2024 16:50

QueenCamilla · 17/05/2024 02:55

🤣

?! You keep laughing at random threads. Are you ok????

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2024 16:50

They have said they will decide this if they get into power.

When and where did they say that?

EnglishBluebell · 20/05/2024 16:56

OmuraWhale · 17/05/2024 07:27

I have never voted Tory, but that doesn't mean I unreservedly support the benefits system. The recent articles about the number of people claiming PIP soaring are a concern - the taxpayer can't afford to support them all. If you want to describe me as benefits bashing or right wing then that's up to you.

The UK has two aircraft carriers. They cost the MOD £1mil per DAY to maintain whilst docked. Significantly more in running costs whilst being used and I really do mean significantly more.

PIP costs are a tiny, almost minute amount in comparison to other major costs. We send much more money abroad in foreign aid than we spend on benefits, let alone just on PIP - which might I add, as a claimant myself I can assure you, it is not easy to claim and categorically cannot be claimed by anyone trying to fool the system unless they're in cahoots with their doctor AND an Oscar-worthy actor. Trust me.
You're getting resentful of the wrong government policy

Baconisdelicious · 20/05/2024 16:59

@OmuraWhale The recent articles about the number of people claiming PIP soaring are a concern - the taxpayer can't afford to support them all

many people claiming PIP are also in work. You know that, surely?

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 20/05/2024 17:21

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 20/05/2024 15:56

Why can’t certain posters just admit that the current political party in power has not made a good job of things at all. They’ve had 14 years to turn things around but they’ve made error after error and the country is in an abysmal state.
There’s more bad news to come as far as Brexit is concerned. Every single public service is struggling and yet people are squabbling over issues that affect a relatively small minority whether it be privately educated children or transfolk, ignoring the multiple elephants in the room that are the state of the economy, crumbling infrastructure of the country and imminent climate change. Labour might not be any better than the Conservatives but hell at least they deserve a chance.

Well said

cardibach · 20/05/2024 17:22

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 14:27

But maybe what you think is best for the majority might not actually be what is best for the majority.

As I said? People vote for what is most important to them.

The point is I’m trying to pick something that will help others, not just on the basis of my own pocket.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/05/2024 17:44

@Tootiredforallthiscrap couldn't have said it better myself. I can only presume those who are focussing on issues that affect maybe 3% at most are in a very fortunate financial position not to give a shit about all the huge issues affecting maybe 70% at least

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:46

Kandalama · 20/05/2024 15:36

There’s no tax break here.
Education has never been taxed in ours and isn’t taxed in any other country!

Some countries with private education give parents the money the state usually spend per pupil to those parents to chose where it is spent.
We don’t do this either. Everyone pays for the education of all children in state through their taxes, some people chose not to have kids, some people chose to not use state money and pay again to go private. That’s not a tax break.

The tax break is 1) not charging VAT on a "luxury" (private education) and 2) allowing private schools, which are businesses, to benefit from charitable status.

Part of living in civilised society is one pays taxes for the greater good; I'm currently paying ££ towards the pensions of baby boomers, who have a much better pension arrangement than I'm likely to (lots on final salary/defined benefits schemes; retired at 60 or 65 not 70 as is projected for me).

Thems the breaks. It evens out; you don't get to choose what you pay for, apart from at election time.

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 17:49

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 16:21

Lol. I’m not a daily mail reader. So Corbyn would never have made PM - he would have been if the Tories hadn’t won in 2019. He was the alternative,

yes Truss was a mistake and went b quickly. It took years to get rid of Corbyn. I’m not even going to mention the military lives and Afghan civilian lives under Blair.

You do realise the whole world is a mess (see upthread)

‘DM reader’, ‘MC bubble’ is the usual ; or 1% whatever, it’s all coming your way.

I wonder why that yabu vote is that high…

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:49

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 15:46

Of course there has to be a certain level of assumption however

Labour et all should be consulting those that have an insight and a lived knowledge of those they teach. They haven’t and it’s glaringly obvious why.

Their policy and assumption is based on everyone that uses Indi schools are at Eton, or similar, with money to burn. The vast majority of UK parents that use privates are not of that demographic and the vast majority of Indi schools are a far cry from Eton.

😂
What? You think Labour has no knowledge of public schools and hasn't consulted on this? On the basis of what exactly?

That's properly tickled me.

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:52

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 15:59

Why can’t certain posters admit that whilst things aren’t perfect under the current government they would be a hell of a lot worse under Labour ( and have been absolutely disastrous under Corbyn who would have been the alternative to the current government)

Oh yeah people have different perspectives, priorities and ideas! Words fail me at times!

Because one is reality (the state of the UK after 14 years of Tory) and one is fantasy? How on earth would you know where the UK would be now under Labour? Better off due to no Brexit, I suspect. But that's the only thing I could comfortably say would be different.

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:54

@greengablesfables not joining us?

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:59

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 16:01

The same sex marriage issue is quite simple.
If one partner in a mixed sex marriage changes, through simple and quick means, their gender the marriage automatically and legally is no longer a mixed sex marriage…it becomes a same sex marriage for which the other non transitioned partner did not originally agree to.

The Conservatives allow an interim GRC to be given to the transitioning partner allowing their spouse time to annul a mixed sex marriage.
Labour are removing this ability for women ( and men of course if their wife transitions), there will be no time and no choice.
For many people and particularly those with certain religious beliefs this is unacceptable.

You can't change sex. Go and read FWR. It's still a mixed sex marriage.

Labour have said precisely nothing about what they will or won't do to support the non-trans spouse in this circumstance so you are completely fear mongering on the basis of nothing. "Forced into same sex marriage" indeed. The only person who's caused this situation is the transitioning partner.

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 17:59

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:49

😂
What? You think Labour has no knowledge of public schools and hasn't consulted on this? On the basis of what exactly?

That's properly tickled me.

Tbh it tickles me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤯🤯🤯
that you don’t know where the sources come from

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:02

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 17:49

‘DM reader’, ‘MC bubble’ is the usual ; or 1% whatever, it’s all coming your way.

I wonder why that yabu vote is that high…

It usually is around 65/35 in favour of the right wing position, especially on the threads that quickly attract a lot of posters. I've watched it before.

Kinda weird because it's at odds with all the polls/local election results etc.

Which suggests either MN is more right wing than the general population or these threads attract an unrepresentative set of posters. Can't see what else it could be 🤷‍♀️

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 18:04

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:02

It usually is around 65/35 in favour of the right wing position, especially on the threads that quickly attract a lot of posters. I've watched it before.

Kinda weird because it's at odds with all the polls/local election results etc.

Which suggests either MN is more right wing than the general population or these threads attract an unrepresentative set of posters. Can't see what else it could be 🤷‍♀️

I’m sure you can’t.

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:06

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 17:59

Tbh it tickles me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤯🤯🤯
that you don’t know where the sources come from

I don't understand what you are talking about. You refused to provide links earlier; I did. Now you are claiming Labour are making it up due to some implied anti-Eton prejudice. Its the kind of statement you either need to justify or it comes across as rubbish.

I mean half the time posters are implying Labour are some kind of leafy North London Elite so it's a not incongruous to then say they don't have any "lived knowledge" of private education 😂

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 18:07

Crikeyalmighty · 20/05/2024 17:44

@Tootiredforallthiscrap couldn't have said it better myself. I can only presume those who are focussing on issues that affect maybe 3% at most are in a very fortunate financial position not to give a shit about all the huge issues affecting maybe 70% at least

There’s also the issues that will affect 51% of the population ie women.
The issues that affect maybe 3%, assuming you mean top earners here will filter down to affect benefits as well. If they up sticks and leave taking their taxes, national insurance and businesses with them or earn less if they don’t need so much ( thinking education tax ) and so on.

None of us live in a vacuum.
We all rely on each other one way or another.

Wewereonnabreak · 20/05/2024 18:07

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:54

@greengablesfables not joining us?

Are you missing me? ❤️

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:10

Wewereonnabreak · 20/05/2024 18:07

Are you missing me? ❤️

U name changed? You were going to pop over from another thread to talk about the GRC?

Wewereonnabreak · 20/05/2024 18:11

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:10

U name changed? You were going to pop over from another thread to talk about the GRC?

Yes I got bored of gables.

Was I? I think you suggested it but I didn’t respond? Anyway I’ve got to make dinner for hungry exam takers

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:13

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 18:07

There’s also the issues that will affect 51% of the population ie women.
The issues that affect maybe 3%, assuming you mean top earners here will filter down to affect benefits as well. If they up sticks and leave taking their taxes, national insurance and businesses with them or earn less if they don’t need so much ( thinking education tax ) and so on.

None of us live in a vacuum.
We all rely on each other one way or another.

If they are here not paying their taxes they might as well leave.
Trickle down economics has been shown to not work. They need to pay their fair share, then we can invest in growth and potentially think about tax breaks for the wealthy when it's affordable.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy-only-benefit-the-rich-debunking-trickle-down-economics

Tax cuts for the wealthy only benefit the rich | LSE Research

History suggests that policies relying on “trickle-down economics” are destined to fail, and yet the idea, for some, still persists. David Hope explains why tax cuts for top earners only benefit the rich and why the issue is so controversial to discuss...

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy-only-benefit-the-rich-debunking-trickle-down-economics

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 18:13

Wewereonnabreak · 20/05/2024 18:11

Yes I got bored of gables.

Was I? I think you suggested it but I didn’t respond? Anyway I’ve got to make dinner for hungry exam takers

Edited

OK c u then 😂

Kandalama · 20/05/2024 18:17

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 17:59

You can't change sex. Go and read FWR. It's still a mixed sex marriage.

Labour have said precisely nothing about what they will or won't do to support the non-trans spouse in this circumstance so you are completely fear mongering on the basis of nothing. "Forced into same sex marriage" indeed. The only person who's caused this situation is the transitioning partner.

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