Is mumsnet right wing?

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There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

It's a summary of both sides of the debate. It has figures and assumptions for both sides.

Unfortunately in any change there are always assumptions (e.g. future tax revenue is assumed based on employment rates, predicted state of the economy etc). You'll be waiting a long time for a policy from any party that isn't built on assumptions.

I’m not sure you’ve thought through the implications. I have a son on state school. Yes they need a lot more funding. Vat on school fees won’t even scratch the sides. Esp when you factor in additional pupils.

Labour are not "forcing biological men into women's spaces". 1) they aren't in power; 2) they've clearly said they will protect spaces for biological women only.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

You know this though. You just don't believe them, which is different.

I have no idea what you are talking about w.r.t. same sex marriage. If its the times article, you do realise that someone who has transitioned hasn't changed sex, don't you? You seem quite clued up on the GC debate?

Labour haven't said they will force people to stay married to a spouse who's transitioned. They've said spouses won't be able to block someone's transition. Fair enough. Grown adults should have bodily autonomy, even if their partner doesn't like it.

It's not meant to "touch the sides". It's a question of can we afford tax breaks for the wealthy?

Upthread there was a discussion about carers. The money the Conservatives are trying to recoup there won't "touch the sides" yet plenty of posters think it's important to signal that people should follow the rules on benefits.

I think the same on private school. If you want the advantages of private education, you should pay for it without incentives from the state.

Ah the old biological women only line

Labour changing it so men with GP notes / GRCs can get access to where exactly?

Not everyone does.

Same as they do now under the Tories?

There’s no tax break here.
Education has never been taxed in ours and isn’t taxed in any other country!

Some countries with private education give parents the money the state usually spend per pupil to those parents to chose where it is spent.
We don’t do this either. Everyone pays for the education of all children in state through their taxes, some people chose not to have kids, some people chose to not use state money and pay again to go private. That’s not a tax break.

Of course there has to be a certain level of assumption however

Labour et all should be consulting those that have an insight and a lived knowledge of those they teach. They haven’t and it’s glaringly obvious why.

Their policy and assumption is based on everyone that uses Indi schools are at Eton, or similar, with money to burn. The vast majority of UK parents that use privates are not of that demographic and the vast majority of Indi schools are a far cry from Eton.

I referred to Scotland not because of the particular party. It may surprise people on here I’m more interested in policy than party.
I was referencing it after the changes they made to their trans policy and the subsequent political meltdown.

Labour have said they will not declare how or if and under what circumstances womens spaces will be protected.
They declared some circumstances.
They have said they will decide this if they get into power.

I think women have a right to know before the vote. Clearly Labour don’t even seem to think women have a right to clarification on this very simple question

Oh OK then ! 🤯

Why can’t certain posters just admit that the current political party in power has not made a good job of things at all. They’ve had 14 years to turn things around but they’ve made error after error and the country is in an abysmal state.
There’s more bad news to come as far as Brexit is concerned. Every single public service is struggling and yet people are squabbling over issues that affect a relatively small minority whether it be privately educated children or transfolk, ignoring the multiple elephants in the room that are the state of the economy, crumbling infrastructure of the country and imminent climate change. Labour might not be any better than the Conservatives but hell at least they deserve a chance.

Why can’t certain posters admit that whilst things aren’t perfect under the current government they would be a hell of a lot worse under Labour ( and have been absolutely disastrous under Corbyn who would have been the alternative to the current government)

Oh yeah people have different perspectives, priorities and ideas! Words fail me at times!

The same sex marriage issue is quite simple.
If one partner in a mixed sex marriage changes, through simple and quick means, their gender the marriage automatically and legally is no longer a mixed sex marriage…it becomes a same sex marriage for which the other non transitioned partner did not originally agree to.

The Conservatives allow an interim GRC to be given to the transitioning partner allowing their spouse time to annul a mixed sex marriage.
Labour are removing this ability for women ( and men of course if their wife transitions), there will be no time and no choice.
For many people and particularly those with certain religious beliefs this is unacceptable.

It’s the blind faith mentality - it’s Labour therefore they must be all loving and fluffy and women will be fine. Just listen to the men folk and their handmaidens and trust they will look after us- I’m not sure why you’re worrying your pretty little head to be honest.

@Devonbabs not perfect ? You’re having a laugh. Are you aware of the state of the economy and the damage Brexit has done and is doing ? The shit that Truss caused losing the country billions of pounds. Corbyn ain’t in power, never would have been. No, words fail me about the cluelessness of of certain posters. Maybe read the FT rather than the Daily mail.

Oh and @Devonbabs maybe take a trip up north and to the midlands and see what an amazing job they’ve done. No maybe not, best stay in Devon.

Absolutely @Devonbabs its not necessarily always greener on the other side.

Some posters on here prefer to look forwards at the proposed policies not just think, oh well I’m up for a change so let’s see how it goes.

I would say everyone seems normal but then mention trans women, travellers, benefits, money woes, immigration and watch that right arm twitch.

I agree and tbh I’m astonished most of the policies I disagree with at the moment are Labour's as I come from a working class Labour voting background.
I refuse, however, to walk blindly down that alley at the moment.

That's so funny. Current government are crap and have been for 14 years but let's not let Labour have a go even though they have talked a lot about doing things differently. You have no reason to think labour would cock it up any more than the Tories - they certainly didn't make a mess like this when they were last in. But you keep earning your dollar pushing the Tories.

Or maybe it's labour, it won't be quite as narcissistic, self serving, greedy and corrupt. It would be hard for them to match the current record.

Lol. I’m not a daily mail reader. So Corbyn would never have made PM - he would have been if the Tories hadn’t won in 2019. He was the alternative,

yes Truss was a mistake and went b quickly. It took years to get rid of Corbyn. I’m not even going to mention the military lives and Afghan civilian lives under Blair.

You do realise the whole world is a mess (see upthread)

Just moved from the midlands having lived there my whole life (clues in the user name) . Left Birmingham just as the Labour council went bankrupt after screwing women over on wages. Oh how we rejoiced amongst the piles of rubbish in the streets during yet another strike. The Labour police and crime commissioner selling off all the police stations for retirement flats.

He particularly liked targeting the more affluent/conservative areas in selling off police stations.