Is mumsnet right wing?

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There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

Ooh. The guardian have a columnist against the VAT on school fees. Almost like...they are a centrist paper 😜

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/20/vat-private-schools-labour-low-income-kids-tax-bursaries

Why would you like to see Labour charging VAT on school fees? It’s unlikely to bring in sufficient funds to cover the fall out.

Probably reading this thread😂

Well yes even economists can’t decide on that hence different beliefs in the best way to do things

I agree.
I really want to see some evidence on this and hopefully Labour will present that.
The issue of numbers leaving is markedly different depending on who you read. Labour leaning towards a lower % ( obviously) Conservatives a higher ( obviously ) and the isc and independents trying to strike a balance in the middle.
A lot of schools, however, will suffer with a drop in numbers. There’s two near us that can’t recruit from abroad and are already struggling. I think one might close and maybe the other drop preprep. The later has lots of bursaries. Our other has loads of kids from abroad so won’t be so affected esp as it’s 95% boarding. ( Ps my kids have left school so I’m not personally invested here )
All our local states are crammed full. On other threads here on MN many people talk of schools that will close, people leaving and parents cutting hours or giving up their work as they don’t need to earn so much if they are not paying for education.

I really think Labour need to present clear, unbiased, costed proof. Let’s hope they do before the election.

House of Lords debated it, very balanced summary with all the figures here for you

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/independent-schools-proposed-vat-changes/

err the only party that has allowed (or your words forced) men into women only spaces are the Tories.
They have been in charge of NHS, Prisons, control council spending...

Scotland is run by the SNP, nothing to do with Lab.

So let’s be clear, the Labpur plans to greatly ease the ability to get a GRC (opposed by the very doctors who are likely to have to agree as they admit they don’t have the requisite specialist knowledge) won’t make matters significantly worse. I see!!!

Because I disagree with you. I don't think many children at all will come out of the independent sector, plus because of the falling birth rate state schools will be able to accommodate any that do.

I think with a CoL crisis and rising poverty we can't afford tax breaks for the wealthy. This is an example of an unaffordable tax break.

Tbf they did bring in the GRA so it’s a natural extension to make it easier via GPs, pretty much Self ID, and ignore women in the process

Labour are.
Assume you read the policies.
Re for example : same sex marriages is a natural fallout from their recent update on GR policy. In news very recently. I bet MN probably have a thread on it too🤣, they usually do.

So once you’ve updated then I’m glad you agree this is very authoritarian

Remind me which political party wanted to introduce self id in 2017.

On what basis. Although only anecdotal many of my clients are talking about pulling their kids out, and these are wealthy individuals. Not mid earners scraping by to get their kids a decent education. Most are looking to move into decent catchments going forward if their kids are looking to move at 11/13.

Hahaha well you’ll have it soon. Thanks to Labour

No mention of Labour only dropping it last year. It’s ok they’ve found a way

A GP will sort it no probs

What is "worse"? What is "easier"?

Currently there are less than 10,000 people with a GRC. There aren't huge numbers getting applied for and declined. There isn't a backlog. I don't think a change to one doctor instead of a panel will greatly increase the number of people with a GRC.

It will however minimise the pressure on doctors who are overworked in general at the moment. And it will also just generally be more efficient, therefore cost the tax payer less. As the Conservatives already reduced the cost to £5, its a good idea to keep it as low cost as possible.

No parties are proposing repealing the GRA so I'm not sure what the fuss is about.

And then what happened!?!!

GRC used to cost £140 and there were long waiting lists, the Tories reduced this to £5 and opened many more Gender Clinics.

Live like a woman for 2 years and so long as you fill out the paper work correctly, you will get a GRC.

96% of men who apply get one, the remaining 4% fail due to admin errors.

Its already a 100% certainty.

We don't know what Labour plan to do, all they ve said is they want to simplify it..... anything else is speculation.

I don't believe there is any such thing as ' right's and ' left' wing anymore. Years ago, I would have identified as staunch Labour - as the protector of working class rights, and equal opps for all. Nowadays, I see Labour as having a huge problem with anti Semitic candidates, and allowing mass unchecked immigration, with little regard for the associated impact on working class communities. Same can be said for the greens. There is no party for the working classes anymore - I'd love a party who represents people like me , one which fights for the nhs, education, robust public services, social equality, but isn't afraid to tackle immigration head on too. I'm afraid that some of the older Labour supporters will move to reform/ stick it out with the Tories and in effect, become single issue voters.

Do you are saying it’s already simple yet you want to simplify it further. Why is that?

This 100%

Many many parents can't afford private school and have children in state being let down by the underfunding of schools (RAAC, lack of SEN provision, teacher vacancies etc etc).

I'd far rather a government invested in fixing that, than provided tax breaks so that little Rupert doesn't have to mix with the hoi polloi at the local comp.

I think the majority of parents feel the same. Not many children at all go private, most of our children are in the screwed up state system.

Thanks for this.
just published but I can see already lots of assumptions not based on fact
For example
If parents aren’t spending the £45,000 on school fees they’ll spend it elsewhere and it will still go into the economy.
That’s a glaringly stupid assumption. Especially as people won’t spend money they are only earning to pay fees elsewhere. They’ll cut hours or drop jobs and the assumption that everyone will follow the same modus operandi is nieve.

Then there’s another comment below and I’ve only read the first page so far.
The £8k cost / pupil in the state sector can be reduced as kids from Indis won’t need additional support. My god they have no idea do they. Indi schools have masses of sen kids, bullied kids who’ve left state etc.

Ive read similar assumptions from Labour many months back.

You can’t build a policy on assumptions you actually need to go out there and ask the people and the Industry.

Yes I agree with your quick take. It’s is obvious

Amazing feminists used the courts to prove biology was protected and self ID wouldn't be legal in many cases.

Brave sports women, rape victims etc started speaking out.

And Lee Anderson and the Tories decided to jump on the band wagon, having lost their usual "winning ingredients" due to Brexit
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lee-anderson-tories-election-trans-b2282185.html

Right wing politicians have parasitised feminists on this. It's infuriating.

Don't inc me in wanting this... i'm no TWAW at all, its a fucking disgrace that men can move in on womens spaces.

BUT i don't blame Labour, i blame the Conservatives.

Like i said, lets see each parties manifesto's.... i suspect Lab and Tory are going to be quite similar on this subject.