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Is mumsnet right wing?

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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 12:43

canp · 20/05/2024 12:35

"Whatever you say about your position, "continuing to vote Tory" at the moment is not consistent with any form of left or even centre position. The current Conservative party that has moved further right than they traditionally are, and as a result is losing the traditional centre right One Nation Tories to Labour. If you are voting for them, you must be right wing, but either in denial or not being upfront about your position. It's not an insult. Just a statement of fact."

Not necessarily. I'm centre. I didn't vote last time. I may vote tory this time because of potential VAT on my dd's sixth form school fees. No other reason at all. If it wasn't for this issue, I probably wouldn't vote.

OK. I can understand people who prioritise their own pockets above all else. It's fairly common.

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 12:46

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 12:41

I understand the Govn are stamping down on all benefit fraud. I agree this should be done as a regular thing and clamping down or investigating many many months after will put people in dire financial straights.

Is the alternative not to bother investigating at all.

Given far more women are carers than men I suspect that is why it appears women are seeing the brunt of these investigations. That’s not sexist.

Its very clear that everyone must keep up to date with their earnings if they receive benefits. It’s always been this way.

I wish they'd put as much effort into stamping down on Covid fraud to be honest.

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 12:47

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 12:30

Whatever you say about your position, "continuing to vote Tory" at the moment is not consistent with any form of left or even centre position. The current Conservative party that has moved further right than they traditionally are, and as a result is losing the traditional centre right One Nation Tories to Labour. If you are voting for them, you must be right wing, but either in denial or not being upfront about your position. It's not an insult. Just a statement of fact.

Well, why do you think your interpretation is better than mine, sitting in the centre, well slightly liberal - left and weighing up the two parties, I believe Labour is much more a threat to my liberal tendencies than. The Tories, therefore I’ll vote Tory. You see, I value women’s rights, I see the danger in anti semitism, I don’t believe Labour generally have a very good record with finances.

Look at the Labour council in Birmingham- total mess (mainly resulting from sexism in pay) bankrupt, decimating the local
arts, unable to deliver decent local services)

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 12:48

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 12:43

OK. I can understand people who prioritise their own pockets above all else. It's fairly common.

That’s how people vote, that’s the whole point in representation 🤦‍♀️

cardibach · 20/05/2024 13:01

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 12:48

That’s how people vote, that’s the whole point in representation 🤦‍♀️

No, it’s not. Decent people vote on what’s best for the whole country not just their own pockets. It’s comments like that which make it clear you are, in fact, a Tory.

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:06

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2024 12:17

It’s rather more complex than that.

https://fullfact.org/crime/police-officer-uplift-numbers/

Agree it’s obviously more complex than a few figures.
The number of officers went down from 171 in 2010 in a relatively symmetrical curve hitting its lowest in 2016/2017 and then up again to meet the same officer/ population ratio that we had in 2010.
The figures I gave are for England alone which is why those in the article are different as they include Wales. Not deliberate for all those living in Wales here, that’s just the Govn website figures.

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 13:06

canp · 20/05/2024 12:35

"Whatever you say about your position, "continuing to vote Tory" at the moment is not consistent with any form of left or even centre position. The current Conservative party that has moved further right than they traditionally are, and as a result is losing the traditional centre right One Nation Tories to Labour. If you are voting for them, you must be right wing, but either in denial or not being upfront about your position. It's not an insult. Just a statement of fact."

Not necessarily. I'm centre. I didn't vote last time. I may vote tory this time because of potential VAT on my dd's sixth form school fees. No other reason at all. If it wasn't for this issue, I probably wouldn't vote.

I don’t blame you for voting against the extra tax you will be hit with. It’s merely a gimmick and won’t raise much, and state will see the extra burden which will be an issue

I’d go for better policies to improve state though

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 13:07

cardibach · 20/05/2024 13:01

No, it’s not. Decent people vote on what’s best for the whole country not just their own pockets. It’s comments like that which make it clear you are, in fact, a Tory.

Edited

Lol, you’re hilarious, people vote on what issue matters to them, for some it might be potholes as they prioritise that over say suicide rates, for others it might be their child’s education for others they might vote a certain way because they don’t understand the value of women’s only spaces,

I think your showing yourself as an extremist ideological voter with no care about the impact of individual matters on which most people base their votes.

AlisonDonut · 20/05/2024 13:11

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 13:07

Lol, you’re hilarious, people vote on what issue matters to them, for some it might be potholes as they prioritise that over say suicide rates, for others it might be their child’s education for others they might vote a certain way because they don’t understand the value of women’s only spaces,

I think your showing yourself as an extremist ideological voter with no care about the impact of individual matters on which most people base their votes.

It is quite amusing this 'either you do what I say, and are decent or you are obviously a Tory' framing.

Of course people vote for matters closest to them. Pockets, house, road, family, friends, village, town, city, county, region, country, world - and everyone is entitled to decide which matters to them and which policies guide them to putting one tick in one box.

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:14

Brefugee · 20/05/2024 12:37

my "patronising twat" alarm went off then.
don't be such an idiot. There is no implicit threat.

If you don't understand just ask.

I'm very far from authoritarian (although my own very personal belief is that the country/world would be better with me in charge as a benevolent dictator)

But you keep harping on. You have no

Agree @Brefugee
very rude attack on you there and completely uncalled for!
Also
Who said rights are granted by their betters, I don’t remember you or anyone on here suggesting anything if the kind.

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:15

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 12:46

I wish they'd put as much effort into stamping down on Covid fraud to be honest.

All fraud, I agree.

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 13:16

AlisonDonut · 20/05/2024 13:11

It is quite amusing this 'either you do what I say, and are decent or you are obviously a Tory' framing.

Of course people vote for matters closest to them. Pockets, house, road, family, friends, village, town, city, county, region, country, world - and everyone is entitled to decide which matters to them and which policies guide them to putting one tick in one box.

Yep

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 13:17

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:14

Agree @Brefugee
very rude attack on you there and completely uncalled for!
Also
Who said rights are granted by their betters, I don’t remember you or anyone on here suggesting anything if the kind.

I think some responses tie quite neatly to the thread vote

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:20

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 12:48

That’s how people vote, that’s the whole point in representation 🤦‍♀️

Let’s not forget this is a tax on education as well.
No country taxes education, plus there’s no figures from Labour to state any benefit…….the only analysis shows a loss. (proof from analysts posted on other threads here).

As a previous poster on another thread noted
Labour will be taxing education but not chocolate spread.! 🤯🤣🤣🤣

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 13:20

AlisonDonut · 20/05/2024 13:11

It is quite amusing this 'either you do what I say, and are decent or you are obviously a Tory' framing.

Of course people vote for matters closest to them. Pockets, house, road, family, friends, village, town, city, county, region, country, world - and everyone is entitled to decide which matters to them and which policies guide them to putting one tick in one box.

I know, it’s like the whole concept of democracy has bypassed them.

Some people are so blinded by their faith in an ideology. It’s rather like 15th: 16th century Christianity - you either believe our exact version of Christianity or you’re an evil heretic and going to burn in hell! I suppose some elements of humanity are comforted by such extreme views in that it takes away the requirement to think.

Yes “religion is the opium of the masses” there’s just certain people refusing to understand their extreme views are nothing but faith in the equivalent

Devonbabs · 20/05/2024 13:25

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:20

Let’s not forget this is a tax on education as well.
No country taxes education, plus there’s no figures from Labour to state any benefit…….the only analysis shows a loss. (proof from analysts posted on other threads here).

As a previous poster on another thread noted
Labour will be taxing education but not chocolate spread.! 🤯🤣🤣🤣

It’s purely ideological. And yes it will affect education as a whole when suddenly local schools are having to cope with more kids. Richer parents will snap up houses near the best schools and poorer pupils pushed out. More school places will need to be funded.

The very rich will hardly notice 20% on £50k. Those just getting by and making huge sacrifices for the fees will have no choice but to hit up the state schools

its like someone has had a bet in the pub to design the worst policy ever that will be to the detriment of the widest range of people

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 13:26

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:20

Let’s not forget this is a tax on education as well.
No country taxes education, plus there’s no figures from Labour to state any benefit…….the only analysis shows a loss. (proof from analysts posted on other threads here).

As a previous poster on another thread noted
Labour will be taxing education but not chocolate spread.! 🤯🤣🤣🤣

Ha 😬

If they can’t get the funding what happens to the extra state students when there’s no extra teachers

Harriet766 · 20/05/2024 13:27

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GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:29

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 13:26

Ha 😬

If they can’t get the funding what happens to the extra state students when there’s no extra teachers

Labour haven’t worked anything out I’m afraid in terms of impact, financial or otherwise.

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2024 13:31

AdamRyan · 20/05/2024 12:46

I wish they'd put as much effort into stamping down on Covid fraud to be honest.

And tax evasion.

Livingtothefull · 20/05/2024 13:37

cardibach · 20/05/2024 13:01

No, it’s not. Decent people vote on what’s best for the whole country not just their own pockets. It’s comments like that which make it clear you are, in fact, a Tory.

Edited

Quite. I remember a relative looking mystified/uncomprehending when I explained to them I would never vote Tory, and saying 'Why not? Every home owner should vote Tory'.

Ime there are two kinds of voters: those who are focused purely on selfish interests, and those who are focused on what is best for the country as a whole (understanding that if the country as a whole does well, we all ultimately benefit).

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2024 13:38

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:29

Labour haven’t worked anything out I’m afraid in terms of impact, financial or otherwise.

And you know this how? By all means disagree with a policy - it’s not one I see the point of - but dismissing a team of intelligent people who have spent years formulating that policy and considering its implications in that way makes you look foolish.

By the way @Harriet766 I don’t know anyone “claiming benefits when there’s nothing wrong with them”. I do know that the amount of benefit fraud is far exceeded by the amount of unclaimed benefits.

Alexandra2001 · 20/05/2024 13:39

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 12:41

I understand the Govn are stamping down on all benefit fraud. I agree this should be done as a regular thing and clamping down or investigating many many months after will put people in dire financial straights.

Is the alternative not to bother investigating at all.

Given far more women are carers than men I suspect that is why it appears women are seeing the brunt of these investigations. That’s not sexist.

Its very clear that everyone must keep up to date with their earnings if they receive benefits. It’s always been this way.

You missed the word "proportionate" hence the Equalities commission looking into this.....

Carers provide huge worth to the country, they are not really getting a benefit as we might imagine, they are being compensated for the loss of earnings they are suffering, the cliff edge they face is not as in any other benefit i can think of, UC/JSA has a taper, as does CB.

Hence the name "allowance"

tbh whatever good points you may have made across various posts, its bizarre that you think going after carers in this way is in any way fair or even beneficial, family member's will just walk away from caring.

EasternStandard · 20/05/2024 13:40

Livingtothefull · 20/05/2024 13:37

Quite. I remember a relative looking mystified/uncomprehending when I explained to them I would never vote Tory, and saying 'Why not? Every home owner should vote Tory'.

Ime there are two kinds of voters: those who are focused purely on selfish interests, and those who are focused on what is best for the country as a whole (understanding that if the country as a whole does well, we all ultimately benefit).

I don’t think you’re correct on that, not in the way you’ve split it

Alexandra2001 · 20/05/2024 13:41

GivePeaceAChance · 20/05/2024 13:29

Labour haven’t worked anything out I’m afraid in terms of impact, financial or otherwise.

...i bet they have but where is your independent research that PS parents will go to the state sector?

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