Is mumsnet right wing?

[BrilloPadHairball]

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

There is a fair bit of that

I think many are afraid to say anywhere public that they'll vote Tory based on women's policies. The usual suspects then accuse them of being single issue right wingers and start pile ons. It's difficult for many women to outright push back when they've been repeatedly instructed that this makes them cruel, phobic, selfish - even on social media under pseudonyms

Having been on the receiving end of quite a bit of scolding by the GC regulars on here, i find this statement very weird.

TWAW and many other issues this Govt stirs up, are all about division, most notably with Brexit... its all about "Lets find an issue, stir the nest and divide people" SM makes its a very easy to do.

The Tories can close down DV refuge's, introduce bedroom taxes, stop the 3rd child getting a penny from the state, raise the number of kids in poverty to 4.3m in poverty, wrecked the NHS, MH & Dental services for all, & destroyed our roads.

Now they come after women who have given their lives to care for loved ones and financially penalise them because they dared to earn a few extra pounds....

Any criticism from the GC regulars on here? Nope.

Some of those issues I too find problematic, some of those issues I think you have wrongly attributed to the government who happen to be in power.

What I cannot get past is the harm those people who think men can become women are doing to women’s rights. By attempting to change the very definition of “woman” they are creating a fundamental issue for women’s equality. This feeds into many of this issues you are talking about. How are you meant to solve issues from a group you can no longer accurately define.

Well it turns out that according to the posted political compass quiz posted I’m a left liberal although not too far off the centre, so I guess, if The Guardian we’re to be slightly left/liberal it would reflect my views. I can confirm it does not. To me this means holding a balanced view regarding the restrictions and freedoms necessary in the market. That peoples rights also come with responsibilities, that immigration can be beneficial but shouldn’t be unfettered. That it’s important to have pride in your country which seeing its weaknesses. That art is as important as business and science etc etc.

What has made the Guardian lean further and further left is its adherence to unfettered tribalism. If you are left you must believe XY and Z. There is no balance.

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OK then. What "far left extremist" things have people said?

I think calling people who are demonstrably moderate liberal left Far Right is a good enough indication of where they’re standing 😉

Well again its a bit confusing. You are saying some right wing things (e.g.That peoples rights also come with responsibilities) and claiming a centre left media source is "far left". That therefore could lead people to believe you are more right wing than you actually are.
It's not really consistent. Anyway it's kind if irrelevant. I don't really understand this strange fragility around people feeling insulted if they are called "right wing". I certainly am not insulted by implications I'm "extreme left". I just find it funny.

@Alexandra2001

TWAW and many other issues this Govt stirs up, are all about division, most notably with Brexit

How did the current government 'stir up' TWAW as an issue?

Do you mean by banning cancer drugs being given off label to kids? Or by insisting that they consult on sex based rights? Or what?

The Tories can close down DV refuge's, introduce bedroom taxes, stop the 3rd child getting a penny from the state, raise the number of kids in poverty to 4.3m in poverty, wrecked the NHS, MH & Dental services for all, & destroyed our roads...Any criticism from the GC regulars on here? Nope

How would you know what else 'GC' regulars do outside of the board that is only specifically about one topic and thus IS NOT about anything related to the above issues? Many 'GC' regulars change their user names on that board so that they are not linked to any other issues. Where are you getting evidence of this 'nope' from?

It’s almost like you think a political opinion comes with a closed set of values, that it is black and white rather than a spectrum.

I chose to think for myself on individual issues, I don’t need to subscribe to a set of prepackaged ideas. That is probably why I’m a floating voter and why I’m fairly close centre but liberal left on balance.

Its quite telling that you’re not able to recognise this position - which probably reflects most voters

How are you meant to solve issues from a group you can no longer accurately define.

By solving them for everyone. Most of the issues Alexandra listed aren’t sex specific and exist purely as a result of this government’s policies. Who else are we supposed to attribute them to when the same government’s been in power for 14 years?

It helps them to stereotype people who are against TWAW, then they can role out their patented cliched responses rather than having to think about it all (because then the whole ideology crumbles). See also me (slightly liberal left) being labelled Far Right.🤦‍♀️

Tbf gender ideology is a particularly flimsy house of cards so it takes aggression and threat to protect

Maybe, if you look at the world, you’ll see similar issues arising in countries across a broad political spectrum.

It happens I favour changing Government every couple of terms as it should keep things balanced. But Labour are a threat to this country much more so than the Tories. In that situation I will continue to vote Tory.

The rest of the world’s just as bad is of absolutely no consequence to me. That’s like your child telling you everyone else has got the thing you’re refusing to buy them. I want my country to function the way it did in 2010 before it was pillaged by the Tories. It’s completely incomprehensible to me that anyone could look at what’s left after a decade and a half of slash and burn and vote for more of it.

Very true.

You ve pretty much made my argument for me.

Despite the list of issues that the Tories have made worse (even created) for women, you will still vote Tory as "Labour are a threat to this country"

Moving away from the TWAW issues, its the Tories that have run down our military, closed army and RAF bases, built over a great deal of our naval bases and even now, despite a blatant lie over defence spend increase, they still plan on reducing our infantry.

Yet Labour threaten our country?

How extraordinarily naive! Unless you are of the opinion that Britain is a) superior to the rest of the world and b) our economy stands in a vacuum. You are aware of global events and the way the whole world has changed since 2010 aren’t you?

On that basis, I could say, I’d rather go back to the Church having a lot more power, say 1380, there was a lot less gun crime then!

In what way have I made your case? How can Labour be in a better position to help women when they can’t even define one?

I would also point out the rampant antisemitism in the party and into supporters as being another very persuasive matter

...thing is the rest of world isn't as bad, our growth is 1/2 that of the EU, uniquely in Europe, we ve failed to increase numbers in the labour market, no one else has 7.5m people waiting for treatment.

It suits Tory supporters to try and deflect blame but we ve had 14 years of the Tories and not a single thing has improved, in fact everything is worse.

People have turned away from the Tories because of their lived experiences.... & as we ve come out of Covid, people are holidaying in Europe and can see that the rest of Europe is not as bad as here.

Insult really doesn’t help your cause. Other country aren’t falling apart. Anyone who’s visited Germany, Holland or any of the Scandinavian countries lately can see the disparity with their own eyes.

Yet the liberal left government have a 0.3% growth compared with our 1.7% growth.

Anyway, it’s interesting to see someone measure a country’s success purely in economic terms. Are you right or left? Just remind me.

Yes Germany’s growth is a fraction of ours.

I don't think anyone wants MORE of it.

I think what people are saying is that it could get worse under a Labour government, as they don't have anything that anyone can really get a grip on of how they are going to do anything, or what exactly it is they are going to do.

An example. My OH is from the North Midlands of England. Mining country. Was in the Socialist Worker photos of the Miners Strikes. Labour member his whole life. Ex wife is a Labour Councillor. Ex wife has high up Labour Party People round for dinner, daugher has met all the movers and shakers and they are on first name terms.

So completely 'in', all in and then some on Labour.

2 years ago he left the Labour Party. And he'd be called Far Right on here. I often ask him has he worked out what Starmer is planning on doing and nope, still no idea. He is devastated by this.

Me, I'm a shoe in for the Green Party. I literally should be shoving 'Here take my money' at them. I know the movers and shakers in the original Organic movement. First name terms. Invited to gatherings. Was taught how to do various aspects of horticulture by them. I'm a veggie and have been since 1984. I'd be vegan if it wasn't for my osteoporosis and I need calcium. I am utterly heartbroken by what the activisits have done to a hugely caring and concerned group of people whose aims and mission was totally sound.

This isn't FOR the right. This is 'What the fuck happened to the left, I cannot support it any longer'.

This is not about HATE. This is about the realisation that even with the lawfare, the WPATH files, the CASS review and everything else that has happened the LABOUR and GREEN parties cannot turn off the activists within them and so cannot be trusted not to go full steam ahead on Gender Wibble once they get some power. And spending time and money on this means they cannot define their own aims and objectives [AKA a manifesto] that people actually trust.

That's the issue.

By better prioritised public spending... so what if Sunak says "i know what a woman is" if he continues to trash female rights?

The Labour party is far removed from that under Corbyn, Labour even ruined their chances to win a by election because they kicked out a candidate.

But again, who is in charge of the UK? who is failing to tackle the anti semitism so many jews are now experiencing? so much so, that many have left the country....

Who has slashed Police numbers so day to day crime, inc racism, isn't being tackled? who closed (to the public) all the police stations so crime can't be reported easily?

Who is ruining carers lives by coming after them for tiny amounts of extra earned income? because of their cruel "cliff edge" benefit cut off.

Lets not include Sunaking making 330k PER DAY from his overseas investments? (he doesn't even invest in the UK)

Its all happening under their watch.

Been there lately? Coming back to the UK is like entering a third world country.