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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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LostTheMarble · 19/05/2024 18:17

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:50

I know it’s been a difficult year for LGBT+ people.
Rising hate crime including physical attacks.
A Tory Government that treats their lives and their rights as a political football and a Prime Minister who sees them as a cheap punchline.

Labour will never do that.
We believe everyone deserves to be accepted, without exception and treated with respect and dignity.
That’s why we will tackle the rising tide of hate, with stronger laws so those who carry out anti-LGBT+ hate crime get the tougher sentences they deserve.
We will deliver where the Conservatives have failed by bringing in a full, no-loopholes, trans-inclusive ban on conversion therapy.
And we will modernise the gender recognition law to a new process, while continuing to support the implementation of the Equality Act that protects everyone.

From your first link. This is all actually very concerning, especially with no actual explanation as to what these new policies will entail. We’ve already seen in Scotland that ‘hate crime’ laws would possibly prosecute those who do not abide by gender beliefs, is this what Labour would implement as well? And trans therapy, obviously religious based conversion is a huge problem with same sex attraction and transgender people, but what about therapies offered to those who believe they’re trans but may be struggling with autistic traits or abuse (as there is a huge correlation between these)? The last part needs huge explanation - what would a gender recognition act entail? Again, more forced speech about not recognising the persons biological sex? What does it mean for single sex spaces? Does it mean undermining women’s rights in any way? I’d want a full outline of this proposed policy before I’d start thinking Labour truly has any care for sex based women’s rights.

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 18:21

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:50

Thanks for this.
The first piece states they will look at gender pay gap and stuff like that. Unfortunately that’s not protecting women or supporting women rights Nothing new here then.
The second and third piece say nothing about tackling childhood poverty except they are looking at it No policies at all. No change to the two child policy. Nothing concrete.
No policies
Nothing.

You said you would vote for a party that had a plan to deal with childhood policy……your attachments state nothing of the sort…....Labour don’t have a plan.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 18:25

LostTheMarble · 19/05/2024 18:17

I know it’s been a difficult year for LGBT+ people.
Rising hate crime including physical attacks.
A Tory Government that treats their lives and their rights as a political football and a Prime Minister who sees them as a cheap punchline.

Labour will never do that.
We believe everyone deserves to be accepted, without exception and treated with respect and dignity.
That’s why we will tackle the rising tide of hate, with stronger laws so those who carry out anti-LGBT+ hate crime get the tougher sentences they deserve.
We will deliver where the Conservatives have failed by bringing in a full, no-loopholes, trans-inclusive ban on conversion therapy.
And we will modernise the gender recognition law to a new process, while continuing to support the implementation of the Equality Act that protects everyone.

From your first link. This is all actually very concerning, especially with no actual explanation as to what these new policies will entail. We’ve already seen in Scotland that ‘hate crime’ laws would possibly prosecute those who do not abide by gender beliefs, is this what Labour would implement as well? And trans therapy, obviously religious based conversion is a huge problem with same sex attraction and transgender people, but what about therapies offered to those who believe they’re trans but may be struggling with autistic traits or abuse (as there is a huge correlation between these)? The last part needs huge explanation - what would a gender recognition act entail? Again, more forced speech about not recognising the persons biological sex? What does it mean for single sex spaces? Does it mean undermining women’s rights in any way? I’d want a full outline of this proposed policy before I’d start thinking Labour truly has any care for sex based women’s rights.

Yes agree. It sounds like Scotland

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 18:27

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 18:07

The LP rattle on about women's rights but their idea of what a woman is is not the same as mine unfortunately. So their words are meaningless.

Absolutely.
When Starmer talks about women he does not mean biological women. It’s important for people not to be dragged into this sneaky misrepresentation.
Starmers ‘women’ are biological and trans and anyone who feels like it. That’s how he sees women and that’s what he means when he uses the word.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 19:09

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 18:21

Thanks for this.
The first piece states they will look at gender pay gap and stuff like that. Unfortunately that’s not protecting women or supporting women rights Nothing new here then.
The second and third piece say nothing about tackling childhood poverty except they are looking at it No policies at all. No change to the two child policy. Nothing concrete.
No policies
Nothing.

You said you would vote for a party that had a plan to deal with childhood policy……your attachments state nothing of the sort…....Labour don’t have a plan.

Hmm Thornberry over the coming years Yvette, Shabana and I will dedicate ourselves to Keir Starmer’s mission to halve the horrific level of violent crime against our country’s women and girls.

women in co-habiting couples have been left with no rights when those relationships come to an end. If there is no joint property or shared parental dues, a man can leave his partner with nothing, especially if he has the means to take it to court and – thanks to the Tories – she does not.
It is time we reviewed this issue in England and Wales, just as it has been in New Zealand, Scotland and Ireland. No woman should be forced to get married or stay in an unhappy relationship, just to avoid ending up on the street.

it is time we offered the same protections to people reporting sexual harassment, bullying and discrimination in the workplace as we do to other whistleblowers. No woman should be forced to stay quiet for fear of being sacked.

for too long millions of women have had to live life in the shadow of a stalker, afraid every single day to walk out of their door or switch on their computer and be told by the police that no action can be taken until ‘something more serious’ happens. That is why, in our country it is two hundred times more likely for a woman to be a victim of stalking than it is for her stalker to end up in prison.
So it is time we treated stalking with the seriousness it deserves. Strengthening the use of Stalking Protection Orders. Developing the right for women to know the identity of their online stalkers. And working to end the sick practice of stalkers abusing our court system to bring vexatious claims against their victims. Because no woman should be forced to wait until she is attacked to get the protection she deserves.

These all sounds like good, woman centred initiatives to me.

Dodds:

We’ll build an NHS fit for the future by tackling rising maternal mortality, and the health disparities that leave Black women four times more likely to die in childbirth.

We’ll halve serious violent crime, including the appalling epidemic of violence against women and girls.

We’ll break down barriers to opportunity by embedding equality at the heart of everything government does, genuinely assessing the impact of new policies on equality, and defending the Equality Act from Conservative attack.

Sounds good to me.

I would love to see this level of clarity from any of the other parties.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 19:19

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 19:09

Hmm Thornberry over the coming years Yvette, Shabana and I will dedicate ourselves to Keir Starmer’s mission to halve the horrific level of violent crime against our country’s women and girls.

women in co-habiting couples have been left with no rights when those relationships come to an end. If there is no joint property or shared parental dues, a man can leave his partner with nothing, especially if he has the means to take it to court and – thanks to the Tories – she does not.
It is time we reviewed this issue in England and Wales, just as it has been in New Zealand, Scotland and Ireland. No woman should be forced to get married or stay in an unhappy relationship, just to avoid ending up on the street.

it is time we offered the same protections to people reporting sexual harassment, bullying and discrimination in the workplace as we do to other whistleblowers. No woman should be forced to stay quiet for fear of being sacked.

for too long millions of women have had to live life in the shadow of a stalker, afraid every single day to walk out of their door or switch on their computer and be told by the police that no action can be taken until ‘something more serious’ happens. That is why, in our country it is two hundred times more likely for a woman to be a victim of stalking than it is for her stalker to end up in prison.
So it is time we treated stalking with the seriousness it deserves. Strengthening the use of Stalking Protection Orders. Developing the right for women to know the identity of their online stalkers. And working to end the sick practice of stalkers abusing our court system to bring vexatious claims against their victims. Because no woman should be forced to wait until she is attacked to get the protection she deserves.

These all sounds like good, woman centred initiatives to me.

Dodds:

We’ll build an NHS fit for the future by tackling rising maternal mortality, and the health disparities that leave Black women four times more likely to die in childbirth.

We’ll halve serious violent crime, including the appalling epidemic of violence against women and girls.

We’ll break down barriers to opportunity by embedding equality at the heart of everything government does, genuinely assessing the impact of new policies on equality, and defending the Equality Act from Conservative attack.

Sounds good to me.

I would love to see this level of clarity from any of the other parties.

Wouldn’t we all.

cardibach · 19/05/2024 19:27

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:04

Yes. I'd prioritise all of these over trans issues too.

I'd get the money by reprioritising e.g. scrapping Rwanda, closing tax loopholes, getting rid of the triple lock (maybe using an average instead).

I'd also reprivatise things like water and rail so the tax payer isn't constantly cleaning up the private sectors lack of investment.

This is why I'm not a "single issue" voter.

Edited: meant to quote devonbabs

Edited

I can’t agree on the triple lock. Our pensions are shite as it is. Don’t let them erode further.

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 19:34

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 19:19

Wouldn’t we all.

Personally I’d love to see any depth to all these speeches.
Theres no policies here.

Its very easy to pick up on things that aren’t working and say ‘ we will tackle this, it’s a disgrace’
All parties do this and are doing this.

The difficulty is actually saying how. How will you tackle the problems we have today.
How!

Labour is staying very very quiet.

They have as yet to give us any concrete, well thought through and correctly costed policies.

Posting speeches on how terrible life is is pointless.
We want answers, not questions

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 19:36

cardibach · 19/05/2024 19:27

I can’t agree on the triple lock. Our pensions are shite as it is. Don’t let them erode further.

Agree but only people living that life know this.
Getting rid of the triple lock is a vote winner for the young.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 19:42

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 19:34

Personally I’d love to see any depth to all these speeches.
Theres no policies here.

Its very easy to pick up on things that aren’t working and say ‘ we will tackle this, it’s a disgrace’
All parties do this and are doing this.

The difficulty is actually saying how. How will you tackle the problems we have today.
How!

Labour is staying very very quiet.

They have as yet to give us any concrete, well thought through and correctly costed policies.

Posting speeches on how terrible life is is pointless.
We want answers, not questions

Well, you know they can't because as soon as they say anything concrete the Tories nick it! Look at non doms. Half expecting VAT on school fees next

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 19:47

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 19:34

Personally I’d love to see any depth to all these speeches.
Theres no policies here.

Its very easy to pick up on things that aren’t working and say ‘ we will tackle this, it’s a disgrace’
All parties do this and are doing this.

The difficulty is actually saying how. How will you tackle the problems we have today.
How!

Labour is staying very very quiet.

They have as yet to give us any concrete, well thought through and correctly costed policies.

Posting speeches on how terrible life is is pointless.
We want answers, not questions

They have them they just can’t say it yet. Apparently ;

Hence the big launch of whatever those six were the other day. Not really a plan though and agree no depth or how

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 19:47

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:36

Whilst I generally agree with your posts I am going to have to back @Blossomtoes on this
New hospital in Liverpool all single rooms for example
It is the intention that all new hospitals will be single occupancy with en-suites Infection control, privacy etc sited as positives. Obviously caring for less people and nurse patient ratio could be a problem but yet to be realised as it’s all a new thought here.

Edited

This is the problem, there just aren’t enough nurses. Lost count of how many times I’ve been visiting one person in hospital and had to do something for someone else in the ward or fetched a nurse etc. I suspect those hospitals will be so understaffed they will be letting out those rooms privately or they will end up spending money going back to wards.

what about all the existing hospitals? There’s so much that we need to spend money on in the nhs, converting all existing hospitals to single rooms is so far down the list it’s not worth mentioning.

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 19:49

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 19:47

They have them they just can’t say it yet. Apparently ;

Hence the big launch of whatever those six were the other day. Not really a plan though and agree no depth or how

I think one of the issues is Labour were relying on income from getting rid of the non- dom tax reliefs. The Tories beat them to it and now there are bigger holes in Labours budget.

Ticktapticktap · 19/05/2024 19:50

I've never seen a benefits bashing thread on here? And I'm embarrassed to say I am on here A LOT.

So either the OP is exaggerating and they saw one benefits bashing comment on a mainly left wing thread...OR we are being shown different threads to each other and there is an algorithm bias like other social media platforms.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 19:50

cardibach · 19/05/2024 19:27

I can’t agree on the triple lock. Our pensions are shite as it is. Don’t let them erode further.

Agree.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 19:52

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 19:49

I think one of the issues is Labour were relying on income from getting rid of the non- dom tax reliefs. The Tories beat them to it and now there are bigger holes in Labours budget.

Labour have spent that ‘nom dom’ money about 25 times over so far

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 19:52

Its very easy to pick up on things that aren’t working and say ‘ we will tackle this, it’s a disgrace’ All parties do this and are doing this.

The Tories aren’t. They’re trying to make us believe they have A Plan and everything’s hunky dory. They also steal every half decent policy Labour comes up with hence them keeping quiet until an election date’s announced.

cardibach · 19/05/2024 20:01

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 19:52

Labour have spent that ‘nom dom’ money about 25 times over so far

Have you ever asked the Tories where the money is coming from?

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 20:07

cardibach · 19/05/2024 20:01

Have you ever asked the Tories where the money is coming from?

They usually provide cost analysis

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 20:09

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 19:52

Labour have spent that ‘nom dom’ money about 25 times over so far

Yep. I’m not sure they even realised that many people were no longer benefitting anyway with the introduction of the deemed domicile status several years ago.

cardibach · 19/05/2024 20:09

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 20:07

They usually provide cost analysis

So do Labour. Everyone then claims it’s nonsense while accepting any old shite from Tories

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 20:17

cardibach · 19/05/2024 20:09

So do Labour. Everyone then claims it’s nonsense while accepting any old shite from Tories

Have you ever thought why that is?

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 20:24

So devon do you think mn is right wing or is op BU?

cardibach · 19/05/2024 20:25

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 20:17

Have you ever thought why that is?

Yes. It’s because of a bias towards Tories from the press. They kick off the questioning but give Tories a free pass.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 20:27

The days of the press giving anyone a free pass are long gone.

Too much money to be made either way.

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