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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 16:46

Other countries also end up in situations people can't afford to access healthcare - but I guess that’s gold standard too?

Not in Scandinavia which offers the best healthcare in the world. And single rooms in hospitals.

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 16:46

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 16:31

Maybe it should. Instead of shooting down ways in which life could be improved for everyone, how about demanding them? That’s a battle I could get behind.

Well, if we have money to burn to improve lives of people here are the top 10 ones that I would prioritise sorting

  1. child poverty
  2. child abuse
  3. fuel poverty
  4. domestic violence
  5. rape crisis centres
  6. mental health services
  7. cancer care and research
  8. accident and emergency
  9. police services
  10. education

Where are you getting the money from?

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 16:47

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 16:46

Other countries also end up in situations people can't afford to access healthcare - but I guess that’s gold standard too?

Not in Scandinavia which offers the best healthcare in the world. And single rooms in hospitals.

Ah you want massively high taxes and to lower the population? Not exactly a benefit to everyone is it?

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 16:52

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 16:47

Ah you want massively high taxes and to lower the population? Not exactly a benefit to everyone is it?

It would be a benefit to the majority, wouldn’t it?

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 16:55

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VolvoFan · 19/05/2024 16:56

MMT'ers have done a damn fine job of buggering up the monetary system that CBDC is likely to take over soon anyway. What we're seeing now is what happens when constant money printing and borrowing converge. It ain't pretty.

Crikeyalmighty · 19/05/2024 16:56

@Devonbabs having lived there- high tax - yes it is - but high services- no national insurance in the way we do it , no council tax in the way we know it, cheap childcare, better and cheaper public transport, a lot more social housing, much better pensions - problem is a lot of this benefits younger people and families and therefore many older people here who are still paying tax wouldn't like it. Yes it has a much smaller population but Germany and France don't - and lots of this still applies to them too. It's how we do things here that is blowing up in our faces, low wages, low tax, high housing costs (so top ups needed , or lots of population would be homeless) - lower tax but then low quality services for that tax

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 16:57

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I think that is clear

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 16:59

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 16:37

I am being realistic. How well do you think it would go down if Sunak announced that, to accommodate trans women who refuse to go on to men's wards, the NHS will now be spending millions on accommodating everyone in single rooms! Imagine the flak he would get.

How about we stick to wards segregated by sex?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mixed-sex-wards-breach-nhs-streeting-b2534608.html

Wards are meant to be single sex. The Conservatives are breaching this due to lack of resource.

NHS breaks mixed-sex wards rules 44,000 times in a year with patients put at risk

Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said patients were left feeling humiliated and at risk, adding: ‘The use of mixed sex wards has gone through the roof under the Tories’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mixed-sex-wards-breach-nhs-streeting-b2534608.html

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 17:00

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I thought we were discussing how we could improve things for women by making life better for everyone. Definitely in good faith

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:04

Yes. I'd prioritise all of these over trans issues too.

I'd get the money by reprioritising e.g. scrapping Rwanda, closing tax loopholes, getting rid of the triple lock (maybe using an average instead).

I'd also reprivatise things like water and rail so the tax payer isn't constantly cleaning up the private sectors lack of investment.

This is why I'm not a "single issue" voter.

Edited: meant to quote devonbabs

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 17:08

I don’t recognise posts that go on about ‘trans issues’

The focus is on the wrong sex. Men can sort out their own sex class.

As for funding things it doesn’t have to take much money to provide single sex spaces for women

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 17:11

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:04

Yes. I'd prioritise all of these over trans issues too.

I'd get the money by reprioritising e.g. scrapping Rwanda, closing tax loopholes, getting rid of the triple lock (maybe using an average instead).

I'd also reprivatise things like water and rail so the tax payer isn't constantly cleaning up the private sectors lack of investment.

This is why I'm not a "single issue" voter.

Edited: meant to quote devonbabs

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Couldn’t agree more. Hopefully we’ll be seeing that happen with a change of government.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:11

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 17:08

I don’t recognise posts that go on about ‘trans issues’

The focus is on the wrong sex. Men can sort out their own sex class.

As for funding things it doesn’t have to take much money to provide single sex spaces for women

Child poverty has nothing to do with "womens sex based rights".
I'd far rather vote for a party with a plan to take children out of poverty than one focussed on "womens sex based rights". But its all a moot point as the only party with any half way decent plan on either thing is Labour.

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 17:25

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 16:52

It would be a benefit to the majority, wouldn’t it?

No, we have a very different economy tp Scandinavia. Even if we did up taxes there are many more things that would benefit a wider range of people than single roomed prisons and hospitals (see my list as an example).

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:36

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 16:41

Other countries also end up in situations people can't afford to access healthcare - but I guess that’s gold standard too?

I think our healthcare system needs to prioritise things like paying for staff, cutting waiting lists rather than accommodate a vanishingly small number of people.

which hospitals are being built solely with single rooms?

Whilst I generally agree with your posts I am going to have to back @Blossomtoes on this
New hospital in Liverpool all single rooms for example
It is the intention that all new hospitals will be single occupancy with en-suites Infection control, privacy etc sited as positives. Obviously caring for less people and nurse patient ratio could be a problem but yet to be realised as it’s all a new thought here.

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:40

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:11

Child poverty has nothing to do with "womens sex based rights".
I'd far rather vote for a party with a plan to take children out of poverty than one focussed on "womens sex based rights". But its all a moot point as the only party with any half way decent plan on either thing is Labour.

The Labour Party doesn’t support woman's rights.
Quite the contrary.

Whats Labours half way decent plan for eradicating childhood poverty.
Im not aware they have one

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 17:43

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:36

Whilst I generally agree with your posts I am going to have to back @Blossomtoes on this
New hospital in Liverpool all single rooms for example
It is the intention that all new hospitals will be single occupancy with en-suites Infection control, privacy etc sited as positives. Obviously caring for less people and nurse patient ratio could be a problem but yet to be realised as it’s all a new thought here.

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A new hospital doesn’t resolve the issue with all the ones we have already

Although I appreciate the insight and

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 17:43

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:40

The Labour Party doesn’t support woman's rights.
Quite the contrary.

Whats Labours half way decent plan for eradicating childhood poverty.
Im not aware they have one

Agree with you here

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:46

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 17:43

A new hospital doesn’t resolve the issue with all the ones we have already

Although I appreciate the insight and

No absolutely I agree
Its the same issue with the new reg that new buildings must now have single sex toilets plus unisex. None of that solves the existing buildings.

Just noting that the pp comments on new hospitals are correct.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:50

GivePeaceAChance · 19/05/2024 17:40

The Labour Party doesn’t support woman's rights.
Quite the contrary.

Whats Labours half way decent plan for eradicating childhood poverty.
Im not aware they have one

The Labour Party clearly supports women's rights

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/anneliese-dodds-speech-at-labour-party-conference/

https://www.emilythornberry.com/shadow-attorney-general/2023/10/10/making-the-law-work-for-women-my-labour-conference-speech-2023/

Child poverty is more difficult because its a symptom of so many broken things in the UK. I'm waiting for specifics in their manifesto but they at least say stuff about it.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jon-ashworth-labour-beat-child-poverty-benefit-cap-row-2589837

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/keir-starmer-vows-end-child-110547414.html

Conservatives have nada.

Keir Starmer vows to end child poverty but refuses to scrap two-child benefit cap again

The UK Labour leader said his party would "put a strategy in place" for ending child poverty.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/keir-starmer-vows-end-child-110547414.html

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 17:52
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This is interesting

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/14/british-children-poverty-tories-gordon-brown

Let's see what Hunt's response is.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 18:04

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 17:00

I thought we were discussing how we could improve things for women by making life better for everyone. Definitely in good faith

Well thanks for the deletion for my pointing out the truth. Honestly.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 18:07

The LP rattle on about women's rights but their idea of what a woman is is not the same as mine unfortunately. So their words are meaningless.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 18:10

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 18:04

Well thanks for the deletion for my pointing out the truth. Honestly.

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I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t report.

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