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Is mumsnet right wing?

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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:16

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 10:55

I think they come across as very knowledgeable, just with a different perspective to you. It's very thought provoking to read.

The overlap between the American Christian Right and the UK Right are becoming ever more obvious.

Utter rubbish.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 12:18

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:20

They moan about the words we use and constantly report us and then moan when we have to use 'coded' words to describe the things that they report us for.

And then accuse of us being an 'in crowd' when they were the people that campaigned for MN to open a new board to hide all the threads on, where they report all the threads that are not on that board about that topic to get moved across, and then 'scold' us constantly for just talking about the topic that THEY campagined to have seperate from general discussion.

Whilst never posting on the other board that they wanted us cleared away from.

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@Alison if you were talking about me then you could use my UN or accurate pronouns (she/her) rather than the plural "they". "They" makes it sound like some shadowy cabal.

Also, it's a bit confusing to say "they" are "never posting on the other board that they wanted us cleared away from" when I post there a lot and you later say you posted this in response to a thread I linked that I was on Confused

It just makes no sense to be honest.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:19

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:20

It's very weird.
In real life I'm perceived as a radical "strident" feminist and a transphobe.
On here those same views get me called a man and not a genuine feminist.

God knows how it comes across to liberal and intersectional feminists.

I have always thought of you as a Lib Fem since you are happy for men to share women's loos for example.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 12:20

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:16

Utter rubbish.

Hardly. Everyone can see it. It's not an insult. Just not my particular politics, and I imagine not the politics of most old school feminists.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:22

I AM an old school feminist and this link is just not there. I would hazard a guess that most people in the world understand that trans ideology is harmful guff. It is not right wing to say so.

And of course you mean it as an insult!

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 12:22

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:19

I have always thought of you as a Lib Fem since you are happy for men to share women's loos for example.

I'm a rad fem. I am not getting into toilets. It's very tedious and people can AS if they really are dying to know my views. Suffice to say you are misquoting me and putting incorrect words in my mouth.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:25

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AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 12:25

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:22

I AM an old school feminist and this link is just not there. I would hazard a guess that most people in the world understand that trans ideology is harmful guff. It is not right wing to say so.

And of course you mean it as an insult!

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Well I'm sure people can read the threads and draw their own conclusions

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 12:26

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:22

I AM an old school feminist and this link is just not there. I would hazard a guess that most people in the world understand that trans ideology is harmful guff. It is not right wing to say so.

And of course you mean it as an insult!

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No idea where this ‘old school feminism’ comes from but I see it often from some pp. I think they’re trying to say you’re not that. Which is weird and likely an attempt to insult.

My class had the fortune to learn from one of the eminent feminists. Twenty odd years ago it was in line then with what I want to see now.

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 12:28

ShyMaryEllen · 19/05/2024 11:04

Is not agreeing that people have a right to 'choose' not to contribute to society right wing? I don't think so. I believe in 'from each according to ability and to each according to need', which is a socialist perspective.

Using taxpayers' money to fund corporations that don't pay enough and simultaneously subsidise people who prefer to work part time but can't afford to live on a P/T salary doesn't help society as a whole, and nor does paying National Insurance Credits to people who stay at home with children. I don't see that as a right wing way of thinking. If everyone worked according to ability and paid tax according to income/wealth, there would be enough to help those who are unable to do so (as opposed to choosing not to), and more people would be contributing to society in practical ways as well as financially, by dint of doing jobs that produce goods or provide services.

You think raising children isn't contributing to society?

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:28

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 12:25

Well I'm sure people can read the threads and draw their own conclusions

Absolutely they can.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 12:39

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 12:26

No idea where this ‘old school feminism’ comes from but I see it often from some pp. I think they’re trying to say you’re not that. Which is weird and likely an attempt to insult.

My class had the fortune to learn from one of the eminent feminists. Twenty odd years ago it was in line then with what I want to see now.

Are you talking about me? It's not an insult to anyone. It's me describing my own brand of feminism. "Old school" meaning being interested in the liberation of women from the patriarchy, as opposed to the lib fem view about equality and intersectionalism.

Feminism has many strands and women can identify as feminists while having very different views.

It's really not that deep and would probably benefit you to assume noble intent rather than insults.

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 12:44

Is this the part of @pikkumyy77's post that is bothering you all?

"The overlap between the American Christian Right and the UK Right are becoming ever more obvious."

Because it's quite right.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 12:46

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 12:44

Is this the part of @pikkumyy77's post that is bothering you all?

"The overlap between the American Christian Right and the UK Right are becoming ever more obvious."

Because it's quite right.

Personally no. I thought it was all pretty far off. I’d look to other reasonable feminist views over those posts.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 12:46

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 12:26

No idea where this ‘old school feminism’ comes from but I see it often from some pp. I think they’re trying to say you’re not that. Which is weird and likely an attempt to insult.

My class had the fortune to learn from one of the eminent feminists. Twenty odd years ago it was in line then with what I want to see now.

I’m a second wave feminist which tends to be what old school means. Feminism 50 years ago was very different.

ShyMaryEllen · 19/05/2024 12:48

You think raising children isn't contributing to society?

Yes, when they are babies and toddlers, but not when they are at school. Keeping house and childrearing are done whether a parent works or not - it's just what people do to contribute to their family, not to society as a whole.

pikkumyy77 · 19/05/2024 13:09

Hm. easternstandard’s dismissal of my posts has made me think a lot about what feminism means to me now, as I have aged into the struggle.

First: I am a 63 year old, white, woman who was born into feminism because my mother was an OG feminist, writer, and associate of the famous first wave feminists in the US.

Second: I am an ex anthropologist so I encounter the patriarchy, politics, and liberation from a multi cultural and anti colonial perspective which leads directly to an acknowledgment of the importance of racism, classism, and intersectionality if we are going to do work at all and be allies with younger women who are trying to liberate their communities.

Third: because of the historical connection between patriarchy, racism, slavery, and the cult of the white woman lots of political issues in the US overlap. Its hard to say where racisim, the interests of the ownership class, and oatriarchy end or begin. One often legitimizes the other. For example laws about Sundown towns (towns where black people can’t go after dark) were both forms of labour control and explicitly designed to “protect “ white women (patriarchy) from contamination.

Right now patriarchy is explicitly on the rise: in India under Modi, in Hungary under Orban, in the US under Trump. And political scientists have noted its overlap with fascism which is also an international movement.

The anti trans stuff here is both clearly deeply felt and sincere and also, to me, a tool of reactionary politics. Sadly that is often the case.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 13:14

pikkumyy77 · 19/05/2024 13:09

Hm. easternstandard’s dismissal of my posts has made me think a lot about what feminism means to me now, as I have aged into the struggle.

First: I am a 63 year old, white, woman who was born into feminism because my mother was an OG feminist, writer, and associate of the famous first wave feminists in the US.

Second: I am an ex anthropologist so I encounter the patriarchy, politics, and liberation from a multi cultural and anti colonial perspective which leads directly to an acknowledgment of the importance of racism, classism, and intersectionality if we are going to do work at all and be allies with younger women who are trying to liberate their communities.

Third: because of the historical connection between patriarchy, racism, slavery, and the cult of the white woman lots of political issues in the US overlap. Its hard to say where racisim, the interests of the ownership class, and oatriarchy end or begin. One often legitimizes the other. For example laws about Sundown towns (towns where black people can’t go after dark) were both forms of labour control and explicitly designed to “protect “ white women (patriarchy) from contamination.

Right now patriarchy is explicitly on the rise: in India under Modi, in Hungary under Orban, in the US under Trump. And political scientists have noted its overlap with fascism which is also an international movement.

The anti trans stuff here is both clearly deeply felt and sincere and also, to me, a tool of reactionary politics. Sadly that is often the case.

I know we won’t align as you suggest ‘anti trans stuff’ where I am looking for pro women thinking.

Pro sex based rights

I’m very relieved and grateful that many women agree on using those terms and not yours. And I hope no woman feels that by speaking up they should accept the ‘anti trans’ term.

It’s undermining and incorrect.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 13:16

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 13:14

I know we won’t align as you suggest ‘anti trans stuff’ where I am looking for pro women thinking.

Pro sex based rights

I’m very relieved and grateful that many women agree on using those terms and not yours. And I hope no woman feels that by speaking up they should accept the ‘anti trans’ term.

It’s undermining and incorrect.

It’s a matter of interpretation. It’s entirely correct from where I’m standing.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 13:20

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 13:16

It’s a matter of interpretation. It’s entirely correct from where I’m standing.

Well obviously. That’s not news.

Fortunately there are many women who are reasonable and I prefer to listen to.

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 13:39

@BIossomtoes

It’s a matter of interpretation. It’s entirely correct from where I’m standing.

And mine. I feel quite comfortable in my position, and it isn't any less feminist or anti-woman for because of it.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 13:40

Its semantics surely. You can engage with the substance of what pikkumy is saying even if you would use different terms.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 13:40

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 13:39

@BIossomtoes

It’s a matter of interpretation. It’s entirely correct from where I’m standing.

And mine. I feel quite comfortable in my position, and it isn't any less feminist or anti-woman for because of it.

Same

coupdetonnerre · 19/05/2024 14:06

The Royal board is quite right wing IMO. I am unsure about the rest - feels left leaning.

pikkumyy77 · 19/05/2024 14:18

I appreciate those who read my, admittedly, long winded posts in a spirit of generosity and curiosity. I am thinking out loud here because this is a vital but highly contested area of political action. We need more activism, not less, in this dangerous time. I am just sorry to see so much training of the guns on near allies rather than a search for compromise and collegiality.

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