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Is mumsnet right wing?

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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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wombat15 · 19/05/2024 10:44

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 10:42

The transphobia can act as a gateway drug to the manifestation of other prejudices, and as a gay woman my community and I are impacted by this.

It really baffles me.

As an alleged 'gay woman' which could mean anything from 'female who likes other females' to 'heterosexual man', you spend all your time trying to take down women who DON'T want lesbian and autistic girls to be given off label cancer drugs that will rend them sterile. You are impacting your own alleged future and current 'community' with this utterly astoundingly behaviour.

They are not being given them any more though are they?

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 10:48

wombat15 · 19/05/2024 10:44

They are not being given them any more though are they?

Legally no.

In England.

The 'lets not sterilise new confused kids' club is still very niche.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 10:52

katebushh · 18/05/2024 23:48

I find a lot of attitudes on here subliminally right wing tbh, I don't think some people realise they're like it.

runs and hides

I agree. So far down a rabbit hole they can't see where they've ended up.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 10:55

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 08:45

Well i have literally NEVER seen a post about 'scary transmen' on the FWR board. They get huge amounts of support in fact as many of us can see ourselves in them and many of us - me included - would also have been swept up in this horrible ideology as youngsters.

You are importing your US mindset to the UK where the political landscape is very, very different. You are also not very knowledgeable about this topic.

I think they come across as very knowledgeable, just with a different perspective to you. It's very thought provoking to read.

The overlap between the American Christian Right and the UK Right are becoming ever more obvious.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 11:03

It certainly gets response from those who are not GC

It veered too much outside reasonable to me

ShyMaryEllen · 19/05/2024 11:04

Is not agreeing that people have a right to 'choose' not to contribute to society right wing? I don't think so. I believe in 'from each according to ability and to each according to need', which is a socialist perspective.

Using taxpayers' money to fund corporations that don't pay enough and simultaneously subsidise people who prefer to work part time but can't afford to live on a P/T salary doesn't help society as a whole, and nor does paying National Insurance Credits to people who stay at home with children. I don't see that as a right wing way of thinking. If everyone worked according to ability and paid tax according to income/wealth, there would be enough to help those who are unable to do so (as opposed to choosing not to), and more people would be contributing to society in practical ways as well as financially, by dint of doing jobs that produce goods or provide services.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:05

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 09:23

Yep.

That was me. Not a "they". When MNHQ started moving all trans threads to FWR it meant other feminist threads were drowned out.

I was an extremely active poster on FWR at the time. I posted there less afterwards because the trans threads were repetitive and not that interesting to me.

I'll take it as a compliment that some posters seem to find my posts threatening enough to keep notes on what I've posted in the past and imply I'm part of some kind of shadowy "they" with insider knowledge in 2018 about how the boards would be in 2024 😂It's pretty mind blowing for me given I'm a random middle aged, centre left, feminist mum with a long standing weakness for MN.

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 11:05

@Brefugee

coming from TRAs it really is too much that we are not allowed to define our own terms. "Scolding" is EXACTLY what it is. And along with the having made us have one tiny part of MN to discuss issues that worry us, calling us the c-word (three letter version) when we have repeatedly asked not to, trigger happy reporting etc etc

Are you implying you can't play by your own rules? It really isn't hard: don't use misogynistic terms. I do my absolute best to do that when posting - why can't you do the same?

Simply because I have a different opinion to you doesn't automatically make me a TRA. And I very rarely report. (Trolls, usually.)

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:07

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:34

It's more an 'out' crowd.

Which they orchestrated.

They know who they are.

Ha! Rude. Also not true. You do yourself no favours with this. Actually I find it pretty hurtful. Lots of posters on that board gave me support at a very difficult time in my life and about very difficult topics.

suggestionsplease1 · 19/05/2024 11:07

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 10:42

The transphobia can act as a gateway drug to the manifestation of other prejudices, and as a gay woman my community and I are impacted by this.

It really baffles me.

As an alleged 'gay woman' which could mean anything from 'female who likes other females' to 'heterosexual man', you spend all your time trying to take down women who DON'T want lesbian and autistic girls to be given off label cancer drugs that will rend them sterile. You are impacting your own alleged future and current 'community' with this utterly astoundingly behaviour.

Well it baffles me that you fail to see any nuance in my position if you have read any of my posts.

I am on record saying that I don't like the thought of children going down medical pathways myself (although I recognise there are times when this is important), and that I would rather nobody felt the need for this.

That's doesn't mean I can't challenge the transphobia that does exist.

Crikeyalmighty · 19/05/2024 11:08

With regard to the trans issue, it is not transphobic to actually not give a monkeys what these people wish to identify as . I don't believe in prejudice for trans people in terms of work , or being picked on in public , they have a perfect right to quiet enjoyment of life- however I think it's perfectly acceptable that other women question aspects such as competing in sports, open areas in changing rooms , pushing the narrative with young people

My gay friends have all said they feel the same too being constantly linked in with this in the publics mind and a couple of them are no longer interested in pride as they say it's just totally trans dominant.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:08

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 09:42

It was just an attempt to get rid of

Didn’t work obviously they still moan even though there’s the demanded new topic to post on

Just hang around haranguing women instead

Men and others get irate at women talking about something that matters to them, nothing new there. Although increasingly violent and threatening 🤔

I'm not a man or an "other" thanks.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 11:09

RufustheFactualReindeer · 19/05/2024 09:55

It tells you that, despite the countless massive issues that impact women in the UK today, the disadvantage they face economically and in the workplace, the huge caring burden that largely falls to them unrecognised, the setback to career and financial independence that arises from becoming mothers... actually FWR doesn't appear to care about any of this...they would rather devote their time to relentlessly hounding 'lesbian nana'

it tells me that all those posters demanding a split saying they felt they couldn’t start posts on the above subjects were lying

it tells me that all those posters demanding a split saying they felt they couldn’t start posts on the above subjects were lying

Where all those threads they wanted the topic for 🤔

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:09

RufustheFactualReindeer · 19/05/2024 09:55

It tells you that, despite the countless massive issues that impact women in the UK today, the disadvantage they face economically and in the workplace, the huge caring burden that largely falls to them unrecognised, the setback to career and financial independence that arises from becoming mothers... actually FWR doesn't appear to care about any of this...they would rather devote their time to relentlessly hounding 'lesbian nana'

it tells me that all those posters demanding a split saying they felt they couldn’t start posts on the above subjects were lying

😥

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 11:12

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:08

I'm not a man or an "other" thanks.

You include yourself in the overall description then. Fine by me.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 11:14

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:08

I'm not a man or an "other" thanks.

It’s a really insulting implication that if your opinion differs you’re not a woman. Apparently you only count as one if you hold particular views and you can’t possibly be a feminist.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 11:18

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 09:57

Speaking of 'focus', why is it you're dedicated your time on this thread purely to impugning and smearing the women of the feminist board?

I’m not excluding pp in this, the opposite.

It’s not news feminism attracts this not just from men.

Quoting in relation to pp

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:18

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 11:12

You include yourself in the overall description then. Fine by me.

It appeared pretty pointed. Maybe you were referring to different posters, in which case it would help to be clear as opposed to throwing out generic insults.

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:20

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 11:14

It’s a really insulting implication that if your opinion differs you’re not a woman. Apparently you only count as one if you hold particular views and you can’t possibly be a feminist.

It's very weird.
In real life I'm perceived as a radical "strident" feminist and a transphobe.
On here those same views get me called a man and not a genuine feminist.

God knows how it comes across to liberal and intersectional feminists.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 11:22

Well it’s going by posts and if that’s the feedback then maybe it’s the posts

I tend to assume woman on mn, unless declared or obvious

So no I don’t assume pp below are male

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 11:26

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:20

It's very weird.
In real life I'm perceived as a radical "strident" feminist and a transphobe.
On here those same views get me called a man and not a genuine feminist.

God knows how it comes across to liberal and intersectional feminists.

Same. In person I get laughed at because I’m a conundrum - a lifelong feminist and socialist who’s also a monarchist. It only seems to be online that you have to conform to a stereotype.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 11:39

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:28

@hayleyrabbit

And then accuse of us being an 'in crowd' when they were the people that campaigned for MN to open a new board to hide all the threads on, where they report all the threads that are not on that board about that topic to get moved across, and then 'scold' us constantly for just talking about the topic that THEY campagined to have seperate from general discussion.

Who are you talking about?

I didn't say any of that. Try again. 🙄

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 11:50

@hayleyrabbit

I didn't say any of that. Try again. 🙄

Apologies. That was AlisonDonut. Thankyou for the polite reminder.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 12:09

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:40

Saying that people having a go at the police officer who traumatised by getting a screaming teenager dragged out of her house, and arrested her for saying that a police officer 'looks like my lesbian nana' is 'homophobic' is such a twisting of the actual event it beggars belief.

It is like watching the literal snake being squeezed in front of your eyes to harvest the non-existent snake oil, whilst people gasp in awe at the liquid instead of saying 'hang on, stop squeezing that snake'.

Yes it's bloody amazing really! And desperate.

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 12:11

AdamRyan · 19/05/2024 11:05

That was me. Not a "they". When MNHQ started moving all trans threads to FWR it meant other feminist threads were drowned out.

I was an extremely active poster on FWR at the time. I posted there less afterwards because the trans threads were repetitive and not that interesting to me.

I'll take it as a compliment that some posters seem to find my posts threatening enough to keep notes on what I've posted in the past and imply I'm part of some kind of shadowy "they" with insider knowledge in 2018 about how the boards would be in 2024 😂It's pretty mind blowing for me given I'm a random middle aged, centre left, feminist mum with a long standing weakness for MN.

I only know it was you because you posted a link to the fucking thread!

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