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Is mumsnet right wing?

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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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VolvoFan · 19/05/2024 09:01

Seriously? This place wouldn't exist if it was even remotely right wing.

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 09:08

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 03:04

Doesn't FWR get annoyed if anyone uses a misogynistic term to berate others? Why, then, do you constantly use the word 'scold' as an insult when someone challenges you?

'Scold' is used as a verb, not a noun, in the sentence you quoted.

Brefugee · 19/05/2024 09:17

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 03:04

Doesn't FWR get annoyed if anyone uses a misogynistic term to berate others? Why, then, do you constantly use the word 'scold' as an insult when someone challenges you?

since there are accurate, relevant terms that women posting on FWR are't allowed to use because "wah wah it hurtz ussss" it is perfectly legit for those same women who are insulted by a term to request that it is not used about them. Sauce for the goose is never sauce for the (trans)gander when it comes to words.

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:18

@hayleyrabbit

*Well i have literally NEVER seen a post about 'scary transmen' on the FWR board. They get huge amounts of support in fact as many of us can see ourselves in them and many of us - me included - would also have been swept up in this horrible ideology as youngsters.

You are importing your US mindset to the UK where the political landscape is very, very different. You are also not very knowledgeable about this topic.*

I think that was a typo. Change 'transmen' to 'transwomen' and it makes much more sense. @pikkumyy77 seems quite knowledgeable about the topic - just not in the way you'd prefer. All she says here I've said before too - far-right politics is using feminists globally, and they don't seem to recognise it. Conservatism for women could mean pushing them backwards in time. But never mind - spoil that vote of yours.

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:20

Brefugee · 19/05/2024 09:17

since there are accurate, relevant terms that women posting on FWR are't allowed to use because "wah wah it hurtz ussss" it is perfectly legit for those same women who are insulted by a term to request that it is not used about them. Sauce for the goose is never sauce for the (trans)gander when it comes to words.

They moan about the words we use and constantly report us and then moan when we have to use 'coded' words to describe the things that they report us for.

And then accuse of us being an 'in crowd' when they were the people that campaigned for MN to open a new board to hide all the threads on, where they report all the threads that are not on that board about that topic to get moved across, and then 'scold' us constantly for just talking about the topic that THEY campagined to have seperate from general discussion.

Whilst never posting on the other board that they wanted us cleared away from.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 09:23

Hardly a typo - more a complete misunderstanding of what a trans man actually is. Hence a very uninformed post.

Smearing women who stand up for women and children's rights is not a new thing - it's pretty sad but it's a full time hobby for some. Calling us Nazis and fascists and in bed with the far right (a load of left leaning feminism women!) is just another smear.
It won't work, it's not working and sensible people can blatantly see the homophobia and misogyny inherent in the ideology and that's before you get on to the massive harms done to a generation of children.

I am sorry that you have jumped on this bandwagon.

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 09:23

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:20

They moan about the words we use and constantly report us and then moan when we have to use 'coded' words to describe the things that they report us for.

And then accuse of us being an 'in crowd' when they were the people that campaigned for MN to open a new board to hide all the threads on, where they report all the threads that are not on that board about that topic to get moved across, and then 'scold' us constantly for just talking about the topic that THEY campagined to have seperate from general discussion.

Whilst never posting on the other board that they wanted us cleared away from.

Edited

Yep.

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:25

@ArabellaScott

'Scold' is used as a verb, not a noun, in the sentence you quoted.

The syntax doesn't matter. The word does. It's misogynistic by FWR terms, and if it was used on that board by someone else the rest of you would be upset. You used it against others here to indicate they were giving you a talking-to, when in fact they just had a different opinion. You were trying to shut down other women. It's wrong on the other board; it's wrong here.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 19/05/2024 09:26

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:20

They moan about the words we use and constantly report us and then moan when we have to use 'coded' words to describe the things that they report us for.

And then accuse of us being an 'in crowd' when they were the people that campaigned for MN to open a new board to hide all the threads on, where they report all the threads that are not on that board about that topic to get moved across, and then 'scold' us constantly for just talking about the topic that THEY campagined to have seperate from general discussion.

Whilst never posting on the other board that they wanted us cleared away from.

Edited

This

all that gardening stuff and coded stuff wasn’t for shits and giggles at the time

thankfully it doesn’t seem to be ‘needed’ any more

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 09:26

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:25

@ArabellaScott

'Scold' is used as a verb, not a noun, in the sentence you quoted.

The syntax doesn't matter. The word does. It's misogynistic by FWR terms, and if it was used on that board by someone else the rest of you would be upset. You used it against others here to indicate they were giving you a talking-to, when in fact they just had a different opinion. You were trying to shut down other women. It's wrong on the other board; it's wrong here.

Nope.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 19/05/2024 09:28

Oh and don’t even get me started on the fucking splitting if the board

anyone with any brain whatsoever could see what was going to happen with that!

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:28

@hayleyrabbit

And then accuse of us being an 'in crowd' when they were the people that campaigned for MN to open a new board to hide all the threads on, where they report all the threads that are not on that board about that topic to get moved across, and then 'scold' us constantly for just talking about the topic that THEY campagined to have seperate from general discussion.

Who are you talking about?

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:30

When you talk like that, you sound like an 'in' crowd.

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:34

NefertitiV · 19/05/2024 09:30

When you talk like that, you sound like an 'in' crowd.

It's more an 'out' crowd.

Which they orchestrated.

They know who they are.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2024 09:35

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 07:54

A scold's bridle is an instrument that was used to specifically stop women from speaking using physical means. Scolding is a 'telling off' used, and used regularly against women.

So in this aspect, this is a very accurate use of the word.

It is very accurate on a thread telling women off for:

Defending the rights of women
Not wanting kids to take cancer drugs that will sterilise them.

It also hugely misogynist. But that’s apparently absolutely fine.

ilovesooty · 19/05/2024 09:36

hayleyrabbit · 19/05/2024 08:46

You are blatantly making things up now. Appalling.

No she isn't. I've seen transphobic posts on there. I've reported them and they've been deleted.

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:40

ilovesooty · 19/05/2024 09:36

No she isn't. I've seen transphobic posts on there. I've reported them and they've been deleted.

Saying that people having a go at the police officer who traumatised by getting a screaming teenager dragged out of her house, and arrested her for saying that a police officer 'looks like my lesbian nana' is 'homophobic' is such a twisting of the actual event it beggars belief.

It is like watching the literal snake being squeezed in front of your eyes to harvest the non-existent snake oil, whilst people gasp in awe at the liquid instead of saying 'hang on, stop squeezing that snake'.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2024 09:42

RufustheFactualReindeer · 19/05/2024 09:28

Oh and don’t even get me started on the fucking splitting if the board

anyone with any brain whatsoever could see what was going to happen with that!

It was just an attempt to get rid of

Didn’t work obviously they still moan even though there’s the demanded new topic to post on

Just hang around haranguing women instead

Men and others get irate at women talking about something that matters to them, nothing new there. Although increasingly violent and threatening 🤔

ilovesooty · 19/05/2024 09:44

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:40

Saying that people having a go at the police officer who traumatised by getting a screaming teenager dragged out of her house, and arrested her for saying that a police officer 'looks like my lesbian nana' is 'homophobic' is such a twisting of the actual event it beggars belief.

It is like watching the literal snake being squeezed in front of your eyes to harvest the non-existent snake oil, whilst people gasp in awe at the liquid instead of saying 'hang on, stop squeezing that snake'.

I said I'd seen and reported transphobic posts. I didn't specify what they were. I agreed that the statement that they were there wasn't made up.

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 09:48

I feel this thread is getting hijacked away from the OP, to be honest. To yet again try and attack feminists on MN.

The poll suggests that most people don't think MN is 'right wing'.

Here's some stats:

https://www.similarweb.com/website/mumsnet.com/

  • Female66.71%
  • Male33.29%

https://medium.com/@naiyanjones/online-political-campaigning-and-biscuits-the-case-of-mumsnet-4b4c64dbce5a

'Demographic data on Mumsnet is dated and sketchy. The website conducted a census in 2009 with a sample of 5,201.¹ The average user was middle aged, relatively affluent, degree educated, and with 2 children at the time. The data cannot be used to talk about the current userbase, but it can be used to contextualise Mumsnet of the past.
Toby Young writing in the Telegraph describes the userbase as made up of…
peopled exclusively by university-educated, upper-middle-class women who are only “swing voters” in the sense that they swing between voting Labour, Lib Dem and Green.'

https://www.mumsnet.com/i/audience-insights

There was a more recent census - 2021 - but I can't find the results.

Online Political Campaigning and Biscuits: The Case of Mumsnet

Why did British politicians start campaigning on Musment in 2010? And what was the impact?

https://medium.com/@naiyanjones/online-political-campaigning-and-biscuits-the-case-of-mumsnet-4b4c64dbce5a

suggestionsplease1 · 19/05/2024 09:51

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 09:40

Saying that people having a go at the police officer who traumatised by getting a screaming teenager dragged out of her house, and arrested her for saying that a police officer 'looks like my lesbian nana' is 'homophobic' is such a twisting of the actual event it beggars belief.

It is like watching the literal snake being squeezed in front of your eyes to harvest the non-existent snake oil, whilst people gasp in awe at the liquid instead of saying 'hang on, stop squeezing that snake'.

It's about the focus though isn't it?

There were several threads on FWR about 'lesbian nana' over a period of weeks, and they regularly stayed at the top of the board, indicating their appeal to posters and the time that posters were devoted to this topic.

That tells you something doesn't it?

It tells you that, despite the countless massive issues that impact women in the UK today, the disadvantage they face economically and in the workplace, the huge caring burden that largely falls to them unrecognised, the setback to career and financial independence that arises from becoming mothers... actually FWR doesn't appear to care about any of this...they would rather devote their time to relentlessly hounding 'lesbian nana'.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 19/05/2024 09:55

It tells you that, despite the countless massive issues that impact women in the UK today, the disadvantage they face economically and in the workplace, the huge caring burden that largely falls to them unrecognised, the setback to career and financial independence that arises from becoming mothers... actually FWR doesn't appear to care about any of this...they would rather devote their time to relentlessly hounding 'lesbian nana'

it tells me that all those posters demanding a split saying they felt they couldn’t start posts on the above subjects were lying

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 19/05/2024 09:56

To yet again try and attack feminists on MN

No, it's a valid point worth talking about.
Nobody's "attacking feminists." 🙄
You wouldn't be wanting women to shut up talking now, would you?
Stick to pre approved topics or something,?

ArabellaScott · 19/05/2024 09:57

suggestionsplease1 · 19/05/2024 09:51

It's about the focus though isn't it?

There were several threads on FWR about 'lesbian nana' over a period of weeks, and they regularly stayed at the top of the board, indicating their appeal to posters and the time that posters were devoted to this topic.

That tells you something doesn't it?

It tells you that, despite the countless massive issues that impact women in the UK today, the disadvantage they face economically and in the workplace, the huge caring burden that largely falls to them unrecognised, the setback to career and financial independence that arises from becoming mothers... actually FWR doesn't appear to care about any of this...they would rather devote their time to relentlessly hounding 'lesbian nana'.

Speaking of 'focus', why is it you're dedicated your time on this thread purely to impugning and smearing the women of the feminist board?

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