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Is mumsnet right wing?

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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:11

Alexandra2001 · 18/05/2024 14:46

No one takes any notice of a spoiled paper.

TBH its better not to vote, at least then you'll be represented in the turn out figures.

Thanks for your great advice. 🙄

Againname · 18/05/2024 15:12

Related to my earlier post (that was commenting on Brefugee's earlier post), I've just seen a thread on Active titled something like 'Londoners are decimating my town'.

It struck me how Londoners can't win. I'm not from there but a friend is (although she moved here years ago). London has many people moving there from other parts of this country and abroad. Then when Londoners can't afford housing, they're told (including on multiple threads on MN) to move somewhere else. Except, somewhere else doesn't want them.

It cannot be ignored, the relation to mass immigration and that sentiment. In two ways.

First, I understand London has 2 thirds of all immigrants to the UK? Read it somewhere and might be wrong about that figure. That obviously has the same impact on Londoners as London 'blow ins' have on other UK areas. Added pressure on jobs and housing.

Secondly, the hostility expressed towards incomers (whether women in the workplace, or migrants, or domestic 'blow ins' moving somewhere new) is usually not anti whoever the incomer is. It's simple concern about increased housing pressure and job competition.

There are a few genuinely prejudiced people who don't like incomers simply because of where they're from or their sex or whatever other thing that makes them 'different' but that's imo a small minority.

As for whether these concerns and issues are Left or Right. It's become mainstream to view any concerns about the impact of mass immigration as Right. (With mass internal displacement, I think it's ignored by both sides and doesn't seem to be considered Left or Right?). However I'd say different to the (modern) mainstream view. I'd say the concerns are Left, especially as it's more disadvantaged people and communities most affected.

The policies themselves, of mass immigration, and separately but often related, mass domestic displacement (especially without providing extra social housing and protecting against wage suppression) is very Right.

As for the solution. Not simple or easy but the issues shouldn't be ignored. We need to try to find compassionate solutions, that avoid kneejerk blame or hate of various different groups, but also take into account the needs of people already in an area, especially the disadvantaged. That's relevant for both mass immigration and for mass domestic displacement.

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:12

BitOutOfPractice · 18/05/2024 14:28

@AdamRyan im voting for you. Very sensible post. I find all the “at least the Tories know what a woman is” mono posters puzzling. Surely we are in the state we are in after 14 years of Tory rule. I haven’t noticed them bogging up women’s rights - or the issues that disproportionately affect women - in the last decade+ have you?

Not seen a single poster say 'at least the Tories know what a woman is'.

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 15:18

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:12

Not seen a single poster say 'at least the Tories know what a woman is'.

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What ever? Or on this thread?

suggestionsplease1 · 18/05/2024 15:24

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:12

Not seen a single poster say 'at least the Tories know what a woman is'.

Edited

It's just the dominating refrain on the FWR board 😆

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 15:29

BitOutOfPractice · 18/05/2024 14:28

@AdamRyan im voting for you. Very sensible post. I find all the “at least the Tories know what a woman is” mono posters puzzling. Surely we are in the state we are in after 14 years of Tory rule. I haven’t noticed them bogging up women’s rights - or the issues that disproportionately affect women - in the last decade+ have you?

Thank you Flowers

I am a bit Shock that many GC posters on here don't seem in the slightest concerned that there is currently a concerted right wing led push to erode womens reproductive rights.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/15/move-to-ban-home-abortion-pills-without-seeing-a-doctor/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/17/uk-decriminalise-abortion-politicians-england-and-wales

Or that a leading GC MP is seemingly more concerned about "vexatious complaints" of sexual abuse against MPs, than protecting victims from being forced to work alongside their attacker.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/tory-mps-share-despair-at-pms-top-team-over-commons-vote-in-leaked-whatsapps-13135829

Not to mention the complete inability of this government to deal with rapists or protect women and children from online harms.

Move to ban home abortion pills without seeing a doctor

Cross-party group of MPs table amendment to Criminal Justice Bill to restore pre-pandemic approach that involved face-to-face health checks

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/15/move-to-ban-home-abortion-pills-without-seeing-a-doctor

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2024 15:37

Well, OP. 71% of votes disagree that MN is 'right wing'.

pikkumyy77 · 18/05/2024 15:39

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 13:40

Trans issues and whatsawoman wars are simultaneously so important that formerly left leaning women are forced—forced!—to leave labour and vote Tory or all will be lost

Once again. I spoiled my ballot and shall do so again. How you construe this as voting Tory I don't know. But it's all here for people to read.

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Spoiling your ballot is simply nihilistic behaviour that cedes control of the government to others.

In reality the least democratic/liberal party benefits the most from voter nihilism or voter refusal to engage. That is because the reactionary party’s actual goals are to serve their real constituents: wealthy people, corporations, important people, whatever ethnic or religious or racial majority or minority used to hold majority power before modern pluralism produced a more complex citizenry.

In the US white nationalism, anti woman legislation, anti gay, anti immigrant, anti trans, pro-Christian, are all explicit lures to get voters to vote for politicians who will come into control of the vast power of the government to tax corporations and high wealth individuals. Voter suppression tactics are routinely used to prevent those who oppose these policies from voting at all while a democratic and consensus based party seeks to encourage people to turn out and vote.

When you petulantly spoiled your ballot you made sure the reactionary party could afford to ignore you snd you punished your potential allies by preventing them from winning.

BitOutOfPractice · 18/05/2024 15:42

@AlisonDonut you miss my point spectacularly. Most women - the vast majority - are deeply interested in issues that affect them. Trans issues is only one of them. And not one of the main parties is addressing that. So I chose to focus on issues that affect me and other Women most - and the endless obsession with penises, to the exclusion of all others - is not one of them for me electorally. Honestly, detailing every thread with this issue is so counter productive.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2024 15:46

I wonder if anyone has ever done any research into how effective a wee scold is in getting women to do what you tell them?

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 18/05/2024 15:46

Any politician claiming "woman = adult human female" without a policy to repeal the GRA is not telling the truth. Because while the GRA exists there will be males who are women.

We all know they aren't, though. Although I agree the right wing has invaded that issue.

AlisonDonut · 18/05/2024 15:55

BitOutOfPractice · 18/05/2024 15:42

@AlisonDonut you miss my point spectacularly. Most women - the vast majority - are deeply interested in issues that affect them. Trans issues is only one of them. And not one of the main parties is addressing that. So I chose to focus on issues that affect me and other Women most - and the endless obsession with penises, to the exclusion of all others - is not one of them for me electorally. Honestly, detailing every thread with this issue is so counter productive.

Yeah see if women also means men it renders discussion about women completely obsolete.

The whole thing is broken.

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:55

pikkumyy77 · 18/05/2024 15:39

Spoiling your ballot is simply nihilistic behaviour that cedes control of the government to others.

In reality the least democratic/liberal party benefits the most from voter nihilism or voter refusal to engage. That is because the reactionary party’s actual goals are to serve their real constituents: wealthy people, corporations, important people, whatever ethnic or religious or racial majority or minority used to hold majority power before modern pluralism produced a more complex citizenry.

In the US white nationalism, anti woman legislation, anti gay, anti immigrant, anti trans, pro-Christian, are all explicit lures to get voters to vote for politicians who will come into control of the vast power of the government to tax corporations and high wealth individuals. Voter suppression tactics are routinely used to prevent those who oppose these policies from voting at all while a democratic and consensus based party seeks to encourage people to turn out and vote.

When you petulantly spoiled your ballot you made sure the reactionary party could afford to ignore you snd you punished your potential allies by preventing them from winning.

Well thanks for the lecture and the scolding. Oh and the lecture on your take on US politics and the petty name calling.

I shall, however, be spoiling my ballot again which, in actual fact, will make no difference whatsoever to who gets elected where I am as it is a very safe Tory seat and always will be.

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:57

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2024 15:46

I wonder if anyone has ever done any research into how effective a wee scold is in getting women to do what you tell them?

Not sure but they certainly keep trying don't they? 😂

BrilloPadHairball · 18/05/2024 16:49

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2024 15:37

Well, OP. 71% of votes disagree that MN is 'right wing'.

Yes, and that’s been from the outset. Interesting thread.

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AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 16:52

AlisonDonut · 18/05/2024 15:55

Yeah see if women also means men it renders discussion about women completely obsolete.

The whole thing is broken.

No it doesn't. People keep saying that and it is not true.

For example, let's say the Green party got in and implemented a policy to make reusable sanpro free of charge to anyone who needed it.

That policy would only benefit women, regardless of the Green Party's commitment to self ID.

Or let's say the Labour Party got in and implemented their policy of targeting repeat rapists and domestic abusers to reduce the number of crimes against women.

That would benefit women the most, as women are most often the victims of these crimes. It would benefit those women regardless of whether the category "women" also includes trans women.

Some womens rights issues do need a sex based definition but by no means all.

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 16:53

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 15:55

Well thanks for the lecture and the scolding. Oh and the lecture on your take on US politics and the petty name calling.

I shall, however, be spoiling my ballot again which, in actual fact, will make no difference whatsoever to who gets elected where I am as it is a very safe Tory seat and always will be.

It's a real shame you've written off a well informed post that PP clearly put a lot of effort into writing as "a lecture". It was very interesting and relevant.

saveforthat · 18/05/2024 16:56

Well judging by the posts most mumsnet users hate the tories and welcome unlimited immigration and benefits for all. The strange thing is a great majority say they earn over £100K and send their children to public school so who knows.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 16:57

BrilloPadHairball · 18/05/2024 16:49

Yes, and that’s been from the outset. Interesting thread.

I’m not surprised, sounds a reasonable take

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 17:06

saveforthat · 18/05/2024 16:56

Well judging by the posts most mumsnet users hate the tories and welcome unlimited immigration and benefits for all. The strange thing is a great majority say they earn over £100K and send their children to public school so who knows.

We must be on different threads.
I see an awful lot of MN posts panicking about VAT on school fees and the dangers of a left wing government. Fairly regular ones praising the Rwanda scheme and saying we are full. Don't think I've ever seen a post about unlimited immigration and benefits for all.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 17:12

Do people not see posts they agree with?

There’s loads of pro Labour ones

I expect that’s why the voting is at is at 71% yabu but you still get posters saying I don’t see any of that

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 18:10

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 16:53

It's a real shame you've written off a well informed post that PP clearly put a lot of effort into writing as "a lecture". It was very interesting and relevant.

Clearly what you and I class as 'well informed' is very different Adam.

hayleyrabbit · 18/05/2024 18:10

saveforthat · 18/05/2024 16:56

Well judging by the posts most mumsnet users hate the tories and welcome unlimited immigration and benefits for all. The strange thing is a great majority say they earn over £100K and send their children to public school so who knows.

Yes that's very true!😂

wellington77 · 18/05/2024 18:12

So what if it is right wing?! most people are in the country. If you don’t like it go find another forum. Personally the amount of Tory bashing I see on here makes me think it’s not,

saveforthat · 18/05/2024 18:12

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 17:06

We must be on different threads.
I see an awful lot of MN posts panicking about VAT on school fees and the dangers of a left wing government. Fairly regular ones praising the Rwanda scheme and saying we are full. Don't think I've ever seen a post about unlimited immigration and benefits for all.

Mmm I may have exaggerated a tiny bit there.

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