Is mumsnet right wing?

[BrilloPadHairball]

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

What hyperbolic bullshit this is. 😂

Some is right wing:

• You're lazy if you don't work as a Mum
• You should climb the corporate ladder as high as possible and not ever rely on anyone
• If you've done well in life it's purely due to your hard work - nothing to do with privilege or luck woth genetics/circumstances

Some is left wing

• The Tories are evil
• Taxes should be a lot higher
• People are thick if they voted Brexit

So to sum up - right wing when it comes to your personal life and left wing on politics.

@hayleyrabbit perfectly demonstrates the two step here. Trans issues and whatsawoman wars are simultaneously so important that formerly left leaning women are forced—forced!—to leave labour and vote Tory or all will be lost. And, at the same time, anyone who draws attention to the other political and policy issues that will be scanted, or to the obvious historical roots of the culture war in question, is taking things to seriously or speaking hyperbolically And its so very jejune of me to care so much? All this trans people are polluting our kids and destroying our country is a bit of bantz?

I think most people would agree with a good education for all and a good health system for all. Those tend to be left wing policies so we have a left wing starting point.
Then we have differences in immigration policies and the benefit system with the majority believing in controlled immigration and comfortable benefits for those genuinely unable to work.

Definitely some are and use being left as an insult. As I've got go older I've become more left wing

Did the pp say she was forced to vote for anyone?

On that note nobody owes Labour a vote, if some women don’t want to maybe the party could listen to why

No one owes anyone a vote of course and citizens should absolutely advocate for the policies they want—but several posters upthread asserted that their policies were originally left of center but they had moved rightward or had given up voting (which is a net gain from a tory point of view as nihilistic anti politics usually are) because of trans issues.

My point is not that hayley is right or wrong just that her perspective is rather typical of culture war politics which is always a bit aesthetically anti politics and anti seriousness. The practitioners (and you see it in the US with lots of Trumps flakier followers) are hyped up enough to devote hours and dollars to the cause while simultaneously petulantly chastising anyone who takes them seriously enough to talk about other forms if political and social engagement. Persuading other voters, working with others, community building, etc…all get thrown overboard for the one true cause.

Trans issues and whatsawoman wars are simultaneously so important that formerly left leaning women are forced—forced!—to leave labour and vote Tory or all will be lost

Once again. I spoiled my ballot and shall do so again. How you construe this as voting Tory I don't know. But it's all here for people to read.

‘Trans issues’ aren’t relevant it’s more likely women’s sex based rights to pp and others

The term “Culture wars” is also a male focussed deflection which doesn’t help women or children for that matter

@hayleyrabbit

It is absolutely fuck all to do with you what I do with my vote. It's a protest to say 'none of the above'.

But you carry on belittling and mocking - it's a great look. 🙄

Okay. I just believe actually voting would be more helpful than a wasted ballot.
And you're quite mocking yourself - and aggressive as well.

‘Trans issues’ aren’t relevant it’s more likely women’s sex based rights to pp and others

This. And so often women fighting for their hard won rights to remain are labelled 'anti-trans' because it's easy and lazy. It's so depressing.

I AM voting. I am voting 'none of the above'. Not sure what you don't understand?

Self ID means you don't have to 'change' your gender.

You just ID whatever you want whenever you want.

That's literally the point of it.

You know what the current situation is (some males are legally women, therefore some women have penises) and therefore you know it's actually a statement of fact when starmer says 99.9% of women don't have penises. It is not a lie and its inaccurate to describe it that way.

You also know none of the parties are proposing to abolish the GRA or the ability for males to be legally recognised as women. Therefore regardless of which party is in charge, some people who are legally women will have penis.

Claiming Starmer is a liar and "the left" are a threat to women is not accurate and appears driven by political ideology/ an "anti left" agenda rather than out of any genuine concern for women's rights.

No woman has a penis. Most TRANS women do - but no women.

Legally a trans woman with a GRC is a woman. Starmer is a lawyer. That is very clearly what he was referring to.

Any politician claiming "woman = adult human female" without a policy to repeal the GRA is not telling the truth. Because while the GRA exists there will be males who are women.

Personally, I prefer politicians to be honest and accurate, even if the truth isn't what I want to hear.

If your single voting issue is a party that will repeal the GRA you are admittedly a bit stuck as no parties have pledged that apart from the very right wing Reform, and the very tiny SDP and Party of Women.

Personally I therefore choose to base my vote on other aspects of women's rights, such as who has policies to reduce violence and abuse against women, policies to deal with the increasing number of women and children living in poverty and policies that stand a chance of reducing maternal mortality rates.

Using a KJK sticker as a protest could also be an option but I'd discount it as pointless.

Good grief does EVERY thread on mn have to end up on this issue? 🙄

@AdamRyan im voting for you. Very sensible post. I find all the “at least the Tories know what a woman is” mono posters puzzling. Surely we are in the state we are in after 14 years of Tory rule. I haven’t noticed them bogging up women’s rights - or the issues that disproportionately affect women - in the last decade+ have you?

Yes 😁
Getting quite funny now really

Its pathetic isn't?

There sooo much that needs addressing in this country, which i'm sure people in this country recognise from whatever party you might support... but some posters always seem to take almost any thread and turn it into a Trans debate.

Its not the only issue people are concerned about.

Idk but this post is inevitable

No one takes any notice of a spoiled paper.

TBH its better not to vote, at least then you'll be represented in the turn out figures.

Half the country are female and some are quite concerned about things that affect us, and that affect children. If you aren't then good for you. Have a lollipop. Pat yourself on the back.

Pretending that women have penises is a key sign that a party cannot be trusted, no matter where on the left - right spectrum they sit. Which is why the topic comes up when someone says 'ee by gum, those mumsnetters are so right wing these days, not like when I were a lad' or other such guff.

@Brefugee

You're right. (As in in correct).

The Left of say 1945 was very different from the Left now (I'd say it changed most radically in the '90s but think it was already changing a fair bit by the '60s).

I did say "not the only issue" & as we've 4m children in poverty, i'm fairly sure their families no1 concern isn't that a man holds a female park run

The Tories have taken away female rights, no one else but that little detail seems to always escape so many posters, who just blame Labour.

So not really sure what your rant is supposed to be about?

You ve your own part of MN to discuss Trans, why do you have to bring it to every other part of MN too?