Is mumsnet right wing?

[BrilloPadHairball]

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

I tend to be more right wing but have voted for both Labour and the conservatives in the past ( i wont be voting for either in the next GE) but i have always viewed MN as slightly more left leaning in the way that liberals are very intolerant of other points of view. People who express anything that they disagree with on here get jumped on and basically compared to hitler!

And yet, as you will see from my previous posts, the countries in the world that are doing best for women are very highly correlated with those that have introduced gender self-ID.

They are at the top of the tables for women, and they have stayed at the top of the tables for women since their introduction of self-ID.

They are also countries that show low rates of crime in general, and violence against women and domestic abuse.

If self-ID is such an issue, why have these countries not dropped down the tables on measures of women's well-being, parity with men, health and justice outcomes, wealth etc since introducing it?

@AlisonDonut

It is convoluted on purpose. It's what they do to try and bedazzle you into thinking 'those FWR women are really right wing'.

Who is "they" here?

I'd say that a lot of posters tend to err on the right side of centre.

🎯. A quick headcount of family and friends in their 60s and 70s reveals - all but one have got progressively more left wing.

The exception watches GB
news , voted for Boris , spends half the year in Spain and has now got an Irish passport.

But they say ' the exception proves the rule' . I'm not saying some people don't start voting Tory as soon as they have a few bob - or a mortgage. But I think it's a bit over hyped tbh.

It's not net zero that makes the UK unattractive to investors (at least in the energy sector anyway).

Europe and America are taking very different approaches to net zero, but both are considered big growth areas for the renewables sector, with investors queuing up to fund new projects, including the company I work for.

What makes the UK unattractive is the complete lack of any forward-thinking strategy, long-term planning, refusal to invest in infrastructure, and penchant for U-turns on almost every single promise from our government.

Considering the UK has more than 25% of all of Europe's offshore renewable energy capacity – the investors' preference as you can install much larger capacity projects and generally receive fewer objections – we should be chomping at the bit to exploit this resource.

But because the Tories are wedded to North Sea oil and gas (a resource even the operators themselves admit has no long-term viability), we're losing out on billions of pounds worth of investment, not to mention high-skilled, long-term jobs and the potential to improve our own energy security.

Yes, I’m afraid I don’t fit into that Churchill-credited cliche either. (Of course he changed his party affiliations mid-career so maybe there was a smidge of self justification in it).

I am no less lefty now at 56 than I was at 16.

This.

Definitely this.
I've been here for years and have noticed the same.
I think it's still predominantly left wing, but it's definitely swinging more to the right and certain topics very much so.
It's more openly right wing now whereas before it seemed to be more bubbling under the surface

Just because a town stops recording how many dog shits are on the pavement, doesn't mean all the dogs have stopped shitting.

Honestly, THESE people are the people. Deliberately skewing shit for their own weird fucked up reasons.

How do these countries know this when they cannot define what a man or a woman actually is?

Of course being called right wing is not an insult although I think that you do use it as one for some reason.

The fact is that FWR is packed to the rafters with left wing feminists who HATE the fact that the Left has been so captured by trans ideology. So many of us want to vote for Labour but are appalled at the ideological rhetoric coming from the party.
FFS - Starmer claims that a percentage of women have a dick! What else will this man lie about?
They need to earn back women's votes and they are not bothering to - why not?

Can you link to that please as it's not clear what 'best' means in your statement. The Cass report showed that there is little evidence that what people were claiming was 'best' for gender distressed children - positive affirmation, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones - were in any way helping these children. It further revealed the circularity of research where a poorly researched study would be referenced by an organisation like WPath who framed themselves as the experts, whose protocols were adopted by organisations like the NHS which were then seen as endorsing the WPath protocols. For a long time time these organisations were gatekeepers. If the reports you cite have 'access to gender affirming care' as one of it's criteria for what's ,'best' for gender distressed children then it's going to skew the evidence.

Furthermore, telling women that they must accept men in women's spaces, telling lesbians that they are bigoted for rejecting trans women as potential partners, telling girls and women that they should accept boys and men who identify as women into female sports, rape crisis centres and prisons based on a broad assessment that the country that they live in is best for them and for trans people is ridiculous. These are real issues.

I genuinely hope the UK is a great place for trans identified people but that shouldn't be at the expense of women who have specific needs for privacy, for their own sports and their own spaces.

The fact is that FWR is packed to the rafters with left wing feminists who HATE the fact that the Left has been so captured by trans ideology

Of course it is. I can see that.

There’s a whole barrage of ways to undermine, some of which are the milder end, the other end includes threats etc

It comes from those who are concerned about the change they see feminists achieving

@hayleyrabbit

The fact is that FWR is packed to the rafters with left wing feminists who HATE the fact that the Left has been so captured by trans ideology. So many of us want to vote for Labour but are appalled at the ideological rhetoric coming from the party.
FFS - Starmer claims that a percentage of women have a dick! What else will this man lie about?
They need to earn back women's votes and they are not bothering to - why not?

There you have it. We would vote for Labour, really! They've forced us to vote for the Tories! It's all the fault of the leeeft! (Even though the Tories have been in power for 14 years.)

And, of course, you're misquoting Starmer. He said 99.9% of women "of course haven't got a penis". The others, obviously, are transwomen, who can't by law by discriminated against. In saying this, he isn't equating that tiny percentage of transwomen to actual women: they are not biologically female. Any other interpretation is splitting the political divide further.

Trans women are men. Under the equality act they can be excluded from certain areas open to women such as sports, toilets, changing rooms, rape support centres, etc. For some bizarre reason politicians and those in charge of our institutions have been listening to the demands of men who want to access women's spaces rather than women who don't want them there. I can't vote for Labour if they support this. And no, I'm not going to vote Tory.

In your slightly rabid response you have made the assumption that I vote Tory. Can you tell me where I said that? In fact, I spoiled my ballot with a KJK sticker in the last election and will do so again in this one.

If he said that 99.9% of women do not have a penis - then he IS saying that a percentage of women DO have a penis. See how it works? This is not his only ridiculous pronouncement though is it? Any comments on what he says below:

I don;t think so - but then al lot of poster appear to read the daily fail

Well let's take an example. Switzerland made self ID possible from Jan 1st 2022. In that year 1171 people changed their legal gender. This is out of a population of 8,776,000 approx, giving a percentage of 0.0133 people having changed legal gender, or 13 people out of every 100,000.

Do you think figures like these are going to massively sway the results for their countries?

Also, given that transwomen have poor outcomes on all the measures used; health, wellbeing, wealth, educational attainment, labor participation, political empowerment etc, they will lower the overall figures for women's parity and wellbeing etc, when their data is included.

Another reason why women are turning away from Starmer - check out the trans/women's rights stuff from 3 mins in. Diabolical!

@hayleyrabbit

In your slightly rabid response you have made the assumption that I vote Tory. Can you tell me where I said that? In fact, I spoiled my ballot with a KJK sticker in the last election and will do so again in this one.

How is spoiling your ballot in any way helpful? Do you really think people will notice your KJK sticker and think, "ooh, maybe this voter is right!"

This s rather the point of wedge cultural issues though. Its quite common for a party or movement to gin up a controversy over something cultural in order to marshal passions and corral votes. What do you think Kinder, Kuche, Kirche and the deliberate attacks on disabled, gay, jewish, and roma people were but an appeal to the average german, the right thinking everyman, to protect family and fatherland from the demonstrably impure and dangerous others.

To the believers it is self evident that they are in a life or death struggle against frightening foes whose encouragement or whose tolerance will lead to disaster. For others it is absurd to flee an entire set of principles of power and politics to pursue a pure body theory of society.

Of course all authoritarian societies , wether on the far left or far right, prefer culture wars waged against outsiders or other citizens to actual political engagement. Its an effective way of controlling the citizens to turn them (in pol pot’s regime) against intellectuals and people with glasses. Or in the US against African Americans, First Nations, or New immigrant groups. Give the masses an internal enemy to attack and they won’t see the need, or gave the energy, to fight for renationalizing the water system, or fight to recapitalize and restore the NHS, or fix crumbling schools.

The culture war over things like “will starmer say what a woman is” is transparently a rube run, a right wing ploy to disable truthful politicians (the truthful politician will rightly say who gives a fuck) in favour of a liar who will agree with you about the terrifying danger of trans people in women’s spaces while continuing to support rapists and violent thugs at the MET assaulting women in the goddamn street.

You all think its s big deal if the Tories agree with you on anti trans policies? Its literally the cheapest and most insignificant bone they can toss you to gnaw on while they loot the treasury and destroy the country.

Your post above is perfect, @pikkumyy77.

Indeed. I actually think the opposite is true.

I used to vote tory when I was young. With age comes maturity lol.

It is absolutely fuck all to do with you what I do with my vote. It's a protest to say 'none of the above'.

But you carry on belittling and mocking - it's a great look. 🙄