Is mumsnet right wing?

[BrilloPadHairball]

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

Ah - a slightly fuller picture there.

it is baffling, isn't it. I believe in UBI, higher progressive taxation above a certain income (measured against average income), minimum wages, social housing, capital taxation etc etc

ALL the things pretty much that Marx, Engels and Trotsky were advocating. But i don't believe people can change sex. So therefore i am far to the right of Hitler and Gengis Khan.

Make it make sense.

It's not that hard really, an individual could be more to the left on economic issues whilst being more to the right on socio-cultural issues, or vice-versa of course.

Or an individual could have an obsessive focus on a single issue that they let dominate their vote, taking them away from the broader alignment of their attitudes and values.

To each according to their need, from each according to their ability.

Communist Russia (which I am using as an example not an ideal to copy) had full employment because people were placed in jobs if they didn’t have one.

It’s perfectly compatible with socialism to expect people to contribute economically to society if they are able to. There’s nothing anti-socialist in being concerned about people sitting on benefits who could be in work (the opposite also applies - if you can’t work, eg due to disability, your benefits should be enough to actually cover your needs).

But remember in this country most people on benefits are working - the issue is that their pay is too low to support a family. We should focus on fixing that, not the minority of skivers.

I would argue that having gender critical views is entirely in line with feminist views which are held across the political spectrum. Some things simply aren't a left or right issue. Keeping women safe from predators is very important to me. So important that I will not vote for a political party which proposes introducing self-id which will open the doors to men in women's spaces.

Despite some claiming otherwise I see a spectrum on FWR

I know there are women who are to the left and we agree on what you post here

I think it’s a male focused tactic to undermine as per

This is what suggestions is framing as 'obsessive' about a single issue.

Some people really don't like women being feminists.

Especially when feminists effect change. All sorts of undermining tactics, threats and violence. It’s all there.

That depends if you view one Q vs 12 quarters worth of figures?

Also all figures may well be revised up or down.

But whatever your politics, the trend is clear and we have a lot of catching up to do, even if we did grow 0.3% more than the EU over a 3 month period.

Both economies did very badly compared to the USA, Bidens Inflation reduction package has paid dividends, as will the EUs Green investment plan... the UK has nothing like the same investment strategy, quite simply, on our own, we are too small.

I hate to be the one to say it but percentages depend on what they are a percentage of...and nobody takes one quarter's worth of data especially when it is about financial growth as the growth can only ever refer to the current data compared to the past data.

@AlisonDonut

Well. He WAS the leader of the socialist and workers party.

Just because someone says they are a thing, or that someone else is a thing, doesn't make the actual thing ever true.

So someone saying 'some people on a thread said this' completely unrelated or normal thing that THEY say is right wing, doesn't make the people or even the thing they said, right wing.

I'm sorry - I've read this a number of times, but I still can't make sense of it. Are you suggesting that the number of posters on this thread alone that have said FWR is somewhat right-wing are wrong - somehow? That's their opinion as women. They're entitled to it.

Or perhaps you can explain this more clearly?

Sure but if I’m going to choose a quarter figure I’d prefer that over others

Slanderoys piffle

They seperate being against men in women's spaces and giving gay, lesbian and autistic kids drugs that will make them sterile as 'single issue' so that it seperates it from other male violence against women, girls, gays, lesbians when is it just another arm of the same issue.

The same way that the LBG organisations took money from the T backers to bring them into the fold, thus force teaming them with LGB issues and guilt tripping anyone who said 'hang on a minute'...most of which at the beginning were bloody left wing women.

Well, the Eurozone economy is many times bigger than than the UKs and includes a very large diversification of economies, from Germany/France to Greece... so that % increase in cash terms is huge across Europe.

3 years worth of growth is enough to see that the UK is not doing well, we also have seen a drop in overall employment too since CV, unique in all of Europe, the numbers of young and old not in work is staggering here.

It would seem that some do cling to one Q's worth of data to prove the UK is doing so much better.....

Many, many women in FWR are left wing and utterly destroyed because the left wing has so seemingly lost their mind, and that the right wing has hopped on this bandwagon and as such, all the left wing women are tarred with 'see, you have the exact same ideas as Matt bloody Walsh so you are obviously now right wing'?

Let alone the money that the right wing men are making by ripping off the work that left wing woman have done for the last decade, with zero bloody acknowledgement of what they stole.

Pretending that because some people on one thread were mean and that is a right wing thing, so they are all obviously now right wing, without extrapolating why they were mean, or even if they were actually mean, doesn't make them right wingers.

It is convoluted on purpose. It's what they do to try and bedazzle you into thinking 'those FWR women are really right wing'.

It’s a tactic to undermine. Not quite what some men use, eg threats and violence, still it’s clearly down to not wanting the change feminists are bringing about.

Let alone their regular disgusting little homophobic slips ups that means they have to go off and do a name change before coming back and saying the exact same things.

Some nice graphs in here

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/three-years-britain-still-waits-brexit-dividend-2023-01-30/

This was of interest to me a couple of years ago. Sadly Labour made early declaration on that. It was a policy area that could have taken my interest, rather than the gimmick VAT and trafficking

Completely right. One of the worst cases is when homophobia and transphobia are lumped together despite trans medicine mutilating confused gay kids. Trans rights are homophobic and rely on sexist stereotypes about what is male and female behavior. This is completely opposite to gay rights which is about accepting your body and your innate sexual preference.

I think it isn't, but it's definitely getting more so.

No one is doing that.

There are some posters on Mumsnet with right wing views, and views outside the usual. Many of them are to be found on FWR.

That is not the same as saying that all posters on FWR are like thar, or that all GC feminists are like that.

It is an observation of some of the posters on the board. I gave an example of a thread with some "outside the usual" views. I'd say the current Mary Harrington thread shows there are a lot of right wing posters there too.

I am frequently confused by this unwillingness to accept what is pretty obvious. It's not an insult.

If you have a look at my puberty blockers thread, you will see that they were first used to turn teenage lesbians into straight young men. Because the parents didn't want a lesbian for a daughter.

That's literally who they experimented on.

The only gdp that matters is gdp per capita and that has stayed the same/gone down in recent years. The only reason overall gdp has gone up is massive immigration. The poor growth of our economy has many long term reasons and short term such as net zero making us uncompetitive compared to the US whose gdp per capita has increased massively in the past twenty years. Brexit was handled appallingly by our terrible politicians so may have contributed.