Is mumsnet right wing?

[BrilloPadHairball]

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

Way to parade how you’ve been indoctrinated.

Tell me, do you think all human right campaigning is right wing? Or do you reserve that judgement solely for those campaigning for women’s human rights?

It's rife everywhere. Human tendency to form 'out groups' to bolster one's own self esteem. Added to polarisation and you have the impression of two 'sides' to what are generally far more complex issues, and people ready to fight hard for two.political parties that have not all that much between them, policy wise. Just different coloured flags.

The biggest issues we face - climate change, globalisation, tensions with China/Russia
/middle east, migration, ageing population - will not be solved by either of the UKs political parties. May not even be solvable at all.

And unfortunately the Greens and Lib Dems have jumped the shark.

Its not a right vs left thing to get people who can/want to work back into work.

Manpower services commission was set up in 1973, continued under labour who expanded it to give employment to the disabled.... it was the Tories who later got rid of it.

I'd love to see Labour bring back Skill Centres & employment schemes for the anyone who has been unemployed for more than 6 months, my brother did such a scheme, got him out of a rut and into college, the pay was good too, so he felt valued.
You cannot expect an employer to sink good money into someone who hasn't worked for a very long time, they are a business not a charity.

However, the right wing people i know are very stereotypical, its the left wingers who seem to be much more varied in their views, as you are showing?

There’s very little in it. Atm a couple of policies between them.

Donations to Labour were 40 something million last accounts. Conservatives 30 million.

The biggest issues we face - climate change, globalisation, tensions with China/Russia/middle east, migration, ageing population - will not be solved by either of the UKs political parties

No one, not even the most ardent labour supporter would suggest any of that (demographics excepted) is solvable by their party of choice.

There has always been tensions with Russia and China, certainly in all of the post war period, as we have also had in the middle east too, these aren't new problems at all.

It will take international agreements so solve these issues, which at the moment the UK is very weak on, removing us from the worlds richest trading bloc also removes the UKs influence.... note Xi visited the EU & didn't come to the UK.

Allowing 750k migrants into the UK, which the Tories have done, is just going to make the the population challenges the UK faces even worse.

Are Labour going to reverse Brexit?

Well. He WAS the leader of the socialist and workers party.

Just because someone says they are a thing, or that someone else is a thing, doesn't make the actual thing ever true.

So someone saying 'some people on a thread said this' completely unrelated or normal thing that THEY say is right wing, doesn't make the people or even the thing they said, right wing.

People need to also remember that just because some people on the left have been hoodwinked or captured, by activists or activism, doesn't make all people opposed to that activism right wing.

For example, many people put masks on and attend rallies as 'antifa', just to behave in the exact same way as the people they are supposedly 'anti' behave.

People need to stop being duped.

How can Brexit be reversed?

The first vote caused huge division, irreparable damage, a 2nd one would do the same, probably be worse & of course, we aren';t the only party in deciding to rejoin!

I think all Labour can do is improve the trading relationship, maybe longer term, a EFTA style agreement but they'd need a 2nd term.

Cameron has caused so much damage with his decision to have a vote with no caveats... unforgivable.

So you're proposing Labour votes as revenge rather than a solution?

Yes TW ARE men as you well know. And no they should not be on lesbian dating apps because, y'know, they're men. FFS. 🙄

Only homophobic people think that men can be lesbians.

No idea what you re on about now.... absurd suggestion.

I'm curious so I'm asking questions! Geezo.

The definition of 'transwoman' is a man who wants to be a woman. To define the word one has to start with 'man'.

However, the right wing people i know are very stereotypical, its the left wingers who seem to be much more varied in their views, as you are showing?

I find the exact opposite and I consider myself a centre left voter.

Well questions are fine but they have to be sensible ones, surely?

Nowhere did i suggest or imply someone votes Labour to get revenge on the Tories.....

Wanting to vote for a party that will return the UK to a better trading relationship with the EU is of benefit to UK Plc.... which is good for us all.

The EU has twice the growth rate of the UK since Covid.

A good example of what I referred to upthread. Is this childish attitude supposed to win back voters and change hearts and minds? Or is is spiteful and derisory which will cause more harm and division?

The EU has twice the growth rate of the UK since Covid

Is this correct?

Yes, people assuming bad faith or stupidity of those who disagree or have voted differently is very wearing.

Divisiveness, tribalism, and knee jerk thinking is hugely unhelpful.

I'd say perhaps coalition governments are a.way beyond this, but then look at our Scottish government and realise PR has problems of its own.

@Alexandra2001 all very sensible points - totally agree- I think long term we might be looking at an efta type deal simply because it's an easy win commercially - the irony is many seriously well off people voted leave to keep their overseas cash from being 'checked out' and now the Tory's and Labour are getting rid of non dom anyway!!

Sorry but i ve never said anyone voting for Brexit were/are stupid, i know a plastic surgeon, several degree educated IT professionals and a barrister who all voted leave!!

However, the issues its thrown up since 2016 do show it has more negatives than positives.... not least in that its so much harder & expensive to trade between the EU and the UK now.... a border control 23 miles from the Border? a part of the UK that cannot send migrants to Rwanda? EU dentist qualifications not recognised by the UK.....

From the house of commons library:

GDP growth in recent years - UK GDP in Q1 2024 was 1.7% above its pre-pandemic level of Q4 2019. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 3.4% higher

Grim.

to be clear: i wasn't labelling those old-school leftists/unions as bad people. I was pointing out how things have changed.

A bit less so. Maybe we’ll keep this going

In Q1 2024, UK GDP increased by 0.6%. Eurozone GDP rose by 0.3%, while US GDP grew by 0.4% in Q1 2024.