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Is mumsnet right wing?

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BrilloPadHairball · 17/05/2024 02:32

There are so many benefits bashing threads on here I’m really starting to wonder. Do the majority of people posting on mumsnet lean heavily to the right?

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HonorGold · 17/05/2024 23:02

Sorry it’s been a long week and I’m ill. What is FWR?

Crepester · 17/05/2024 23:04

The benefits system is a mess and I’m fairly left but somethings wrong.

Why are so many men allowed to shake off their responsibilities to children and pay token amounts if at all while the taxpayer pays for their child ?

idk how true this is but I read in another thread when someone is receiving child maintenance - no matter how much - this won’t affect the amount of UC they are entitled to. That’s not right.

Also it seems hard for new claimants to get benefits but there are so many people who got it in the past and are just stuck on it. Like my friend’s controlling abusive violent ex who went on the sick 15 years ago when she left him to avoid paying child support and also so he could monitor his new girlfriend 24/7. No one knows what “wrong” with this guy and he is very vague when asked.

Also my friend has kids all 12+ and only works 16 hours a week as she gets more in benefits that way. People are doing the best they can for themselves which I get but the system is flawed.

The wage suppression doesn’t help either. The Uk is so low paid coupled with the high housing costs it’s awful.

I remember looking for jobs during a tough period about a decade ago. I noticed so many Jobs taking the piss like Subway in Liverpool asking for sandwich artist apprentices which was basically just a way of being legally allowed to pay them £3 an hour which at that point was about half the NMW.

Againname · 17/05/2024 23:29

Like my friend’s controlling abusive violent ex who went on the sick 15 years ago when she left him to avoid paying child support and also so he could monitor his new girlfriend 24/7. No one knows what “wrong” with this guy and he is very vague when asked.

I wonder who'd want to employ someone who's known to be violent? Then again seems like lots of violent and abusive people are in employment and a cruel irony is often it's their victims who end up on benefits (as a direct result of the abuse). There's lots of threads from women on MN who've been or are in that position. Many have to give up their jobs to go to refuges, and also because of the effects of the abuse on their health and or because of men like your friend's ex who avoid paying child support (including higher earners).

You're right about the consequences of wage suppression and the insufficient amount of social housing. That's massively increased the benefits cost.

Those two issues are because of a false economy approach, which also includes funding cuts to public services. For example, lots of people on long NHS wait lists so their health deteriorates by the time they're seen. Punitive benefits system is another issue. Stress affects health, and so does poverty.

The other problem though is there aren't actually enough jobs. There's more people on jobseeker benefits than total job vacancies. (That's not including people on sickness benefits).

It won't solve everything but scrapping the false economy approach would help cut benefits costs (and also reduce demand on other public services).

Good and well-funded public services, social housing, supportive benefits system, better enforcement of child support, and work, education, and training opportunities. Costs at first but worth it later on as it saves in the long-term.

Againname · 17/05/2024 23:38

Regarding my above post about the false economy approach. I also think that investing in public services and people, to save money as well as improve quality of lives is something that should appeal to both the Right and Left.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 17/05/2024 23:42

VickyEadieofThigh · 17/05/2024 07:43

Calling feminism "right wing" began when men demanded that women accept some men into our spaces, organisations, sports, dating apps and so on.

Feminists aren't "right wing" for refusing to do so.

They're happily in bed with RWers, but hate it when it's pointed out.

QED.

Transwomen are not men BTW. And are you seriously suggesting they should be banned from dating aps ( which, incidentally, are not ours/ yours) ? Hmm.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 17/05/2024 23:45

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 23:02

Sorry it’s been a long week and I’m ill. What is FWR?

Transphobia disguised as feminism

kirbykirby · 17/05/2024 23:48

No. If anything it's very middle-class, left-wing.

JudgeJ · 17/05/2024 23:55

AlisonDonut · 17/05/2024 22:48

Hitler was the leader of...you might need to sit down...the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party.

I know, right?

At last, someone who knows their history!

HonorGold · 18/05/2024 00:17

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 17/05/2024 23:45

Transphobia disguised as feminism

Still not getting it….feminism with… regret? Redemption? Rock and roll…

feminism wot rocks? Feminism which regresses…

I have searched mumsnet and googled…and I’m not further

HonorGold · 18/05/2024 00:19

Fire when ready
forwhatever reason…
fuck…why read

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 18/05/2024 00:36

JudgeJ · 17/05/2024 23:55

At last, someone who knows their history!

Lol, just because they had the word socialist in their name doesn't mean they were socialists or left wing.

If you genuinely think that then you clearly don't 'know your history' and it's certainly not the "gotcha" you think it is.

Next you'll be telling us that Democratic Republic of North Korea is a bastion of democracy because it has the word democratic in it.

echt · 18/05/2024 00:48

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 18/05/2024 00:36

Lol, just because they had the word socialist in their name doesn't mean they were socialists or left wing.

If you genuinely think that then you clearly don't 'know your history' and it's certainly not the "gotcha" you think it is.

Next you'll be telling us that Democratic Republic of North Korea is a bastion of democracy because it has the word democratic in it.

Quite.

Saschka · 18/05/2024 00:48

CurlewKate · 17/05/2024 20:26

@AdamRyan "This thing about Hitler being left wing has cropped up a few times now and is basically the ultimate DARVO"

Cf. Hitler was a vegetarian.

And Marx wasn’t. Perhaps this Venn diagram isn’t a perfect circle?

AmpleFatball · 18/05/2024 00:58

That some people think Hitler was left wing is so nuts.

That said, it’s hard to believe anyone is genuinely that stupid - probably knowingly peddling lies.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2024 01:01

Transwomen are not men BTW. And are you seriously suggesting they should be banned from dating aps

I doubt anyone thinks they should be banned from dating apps entirely, just categorised correctly. How are they not men, as adult human males, btw?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2024 01:02

@HonorGold it's Feminism and Women's Rights, the original name of the board.

pikkumyy77 · 18/05/2024 01:03

Oh my god the “you made me do it” wail of the brexiter! If only meanies had been nicer Ma and Pa wouldn’t have had to vote leave!

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/05/2024 01:11

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 18/05/2024 00:36

Lol, just because they had the word socialist in their name doesn't mean they were socialists or left wing.

If you genuinely think that then you clearly don't 'know your history' and it's certainly not the "gotcha" you think it is.

Next you'll be telling us that Democratic Republic of North Korea is a bastion of democracy because it has the word democratic in it.

I know. Peak MN right wing right there. 🙈🙈🙈

NefertitiV · 18/05/2024 03:12

@AlisonDonut

Hitler was the leader of...you might need to sit down...the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party.

I know, right?

Um ... clearly, you don't know. This was the moniker for the Nazi party (the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), a far-right, ultra-nationalist group. Just because 'socialist' appears in the name doesn't make it left-wing.

Mamai100 · 18/05/2024 03:16

But as holly valance pointed out...
Everyone starts off as lefties when they are young. Then you start working, earn some money, start paying taxes and realise what a crap idea it is.

And she's full of shit.....

AlisonDonut · 18/05/2024 03:28

NefertitiV · 18/05/2024 03:12

@AlisonDonut

Hitler was the leader of...you might need to sit down...the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party.

I know, right?

Um ... clearly, you don't know. This was the moniker for the Nazi party (the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), a far-right, ultra-nationalist group. Just because 'socialist' appears in the name doesn't make it left-wing.

Yes, exactly!

Just because someone says things, doesn't make it true.

AlisonDonut · 18/05/2024 03:30

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 18/05/2024 00:36

Lol, just because they had the word socialist in their name doesn't mean they were socialists or left wing.

If you genuinely think that then you clearly don't 'know your history' and it's certainly not the "gotcha" you think it is.

Next you'll be telling us that Democratic Republic of North Korea is a bastion of democracy because it has the word democratic in it.

Yes, that's the fucking point.

NefertitiV · 18/05/2024 04:57

@AlisonDonut

Your post "Hitler was the leader of...you might need to sit down...the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party.
^
I know, right^? was in reply to Alexandra2001's "I hope you re joking..... Hitler a socialist?????" In turn, Alexandra was replying to CoatRack's post of "Hitler was a socialist and didn't like the Js; therefore left wing".

It's difficult to see your post in any other light given the context.

Crepester · 18/05/2024 05:55

I wonder who'd want to employ someone who's known to be violent? Then again seems like lots of violent and abusive people are in employment and a cruel irony is often it's their victims who end up on benefits (as a direct result of the abuse). There's lots of threads from women on MN who've been or are in that position. Many have to give up their jobs to go to refuges, and also because of the effects of the abuse on their health and or because of men like your friend's ex who avoid paying child support (including higher earners).

@Againname plenty of workplaces would employ a violent person with or without a criminal record. I’ve witnessed it lol for example i once worked in a call centre where a significant amount of the young men seemed to have a history of violence. And plenty of other places don’t do DBS checks.

And even if they did, he doesn’t have a criminal record as far as I know despite being extremely violent . My friend’s cousin had to literally rescue her. She packed up a few things and snuck out with
their son while he was at the shops and never came back. He even said himself he’d likely have killed her that day if she hadn’t got away. My friend never pressed charges, not sure if she even called the police so I don’t think he has a criminal record as he doesn’t really get into trouble outside the home in the sense he isn’t the type to start fight with randoms at the pub etc - only his female partners and female relatives 😵‍💫

Yes my friend was on benefits initially when her kids ( she went on to have more work another guy she’s still with ) were younger, but she built herself back up with training and is now working. She used unemployment benefits as a temporary measure to get back on her feet as opposed to her ex who will likely never come off them. I mean he went on disability in his late 20s and is now in early 40s. Don’t see him going back and he still can’t articulate what his actual disability is.

She is disgusted this man just sits on benefits, doesn’t financially support his kid and sees the kid once a year at most as he can’t be bothered travelling to see her, so only sees her when she goes to visit her family. Him and his current partner (also long term sick) spend their time at the local pub, driving around and travelling back to her home country. But him planning a visit to see his son is clearly beyond him.

I’m always baffled at how some people like him get away with this when others who are seriously ill are constantly being threatened and having benefits removed etc

WellySunHat · 18/05/2024 06:54

Most people have views that don’t always fit nicely into one box.

I have always voted Labour and consider myself a bit of a lefty. But I am genuinely worried about my university kids and their future as taxpayers given the increasing number of people not working. Currently and projected. If I stated that on a relevant thread, would that make me ‘right wing’?

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