To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

probably.
But what it needs is more people to emphasise how bad Labour is wrt women's rights - despite other relatively ok policies

They read MN, they should hear it as much as possible

This in spades every time.

Anyone who thinks that voting for a party decimating free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare, education, and local council funding forcing cuts to early years services, and coming for workers' rights, is better than Labour must be smoking something.

Be concerned about it if you want, although without government backing it isn’t going to pass, so I’m not losing sleep yet. My point is I’m not sure why anyone thinks it’s a relevant response to people raising concerns about what an incoming Labour government (whose members have made many concerning statements on these issues will do). It feels a bit like an attempt to blow smoke in people’s eyes. A pretty unsuccessful one too 😂

This whole ‘do you know what a women is’ worked successfully in the US. Every right wing talk show host would scream it at Democrats. People voted Republican and the result was the end of Roe V Wade.

The right wing lobbyist employees on here know what they’re trying to do. It’s from the playbook but it won’t work.

What do you think of the change that has already happened?

The Cass Review for example and the outcomes it’s effected or moving away from Self ID

Good or not?

Most think the Cass report is good. Does that make up for the years of Tory shite nope. If you live in a nice mc bubble maybe you don’t see how the UK has
declined ? Who knows..

Your call for proof is either wildly naive or a mendacious attempt to get out of providing your own proof, as you know full well that you can’t.

What’s your excuse?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

😂
Yes, the Tories are so fab for women, better stick with them 🙄
Not

I reckon we're going to get them at least weekly until the election finally arrives 😁
Give it up. As a woman I'll be voting Labour.

Anneliese Dodds met with LGBA recently so hopefully that's progress!

‘Who knows’

Going by your posts aimed at me on various threads I’d say you don’t know much about that or anything more happily 🙌

On this though there seems to be a disconnect. Posters who have been saying stop or mn isn’t the place or whatever throughout haven’t helped.

Their approach would mean politicians wouldn’t change. Labour still had Self ID only last year. Many get angry, hurl insults or threaten but it’s women who have been clear about the harms of gender that have moved this forward.

As for the US in pp I see a good outcome in the U.K. ie the Cass Review and other. It’s pretty much outcomes women are focussing on that are happening.

Of course one might say the same about the lengths some posters go to, to shut down debate about Sunaks family. There is a lot more cause for concern there.

The self identification of Starmers child is irrelevant to anything. Maybe you should go and read up about the first trans MP and how well they have been supported by their party leader. Maybe there is a vested interest there.

@EasternStandard stick with the current lot if you want. Who really cares ? No one’s mind is ever changed on MN.
You give gender critical women a bad name because you also lap up and disseminate all the other right wing tosh that comes with the culture war. Some of us agree that people cannot change sex and that a trans women isn’t a woman but it doesn’t mean we think the tories are competent (or that labour are a million times better but we’ll give them a go).

You have a very narrow view of "womens and children's rights" if you think that's the case.
I put some links upthread on what Labour propose to do about women's rights, there is far more than any other party.

Meanwhile various Conservative MPs are trying to restrict abortion in various ways.

I know which party I think is the biggest risk to womens rights.

Well you’re not going to be happy with women speaking up are you?

For whatever reason you make it personal and insulting

I mean it’s irrelevant as you don’t know more than what you’ve created in your head about a random mner you have zero clue about, I can tell whenever you launch into inaccurate diatribes.

Whatever is driving your personally directed anger doesn’t actually have anything to do with me at all.

Well said

I assume it's to respond to OP asserting that Labour "ignore women and children's rights" by pointing out why that is in fact untrue.

Puberty blockers and self ID are actually a derail to OPs thread.

It's like they looked at the halfwittery up in Scotland and had a massive 'hold my beer' moment.

Who cares? He's leader of the "We're not the Tories" party and that's all that matters.

They’re part of gender ideology and something that women who have spoken up have had success in changing.

Despite the attacks from various sections telling them not to.

Whether those have been aggressive, threatening or otherwise.

Still banging away with the conspiracy theories then …

It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that Sunaks wife is directly profiting from decisions the British government makes, that has been widely reported and fact checked by the mainstream media.

It is a conspiracy theory to talk about shady "vested interests" the leader of the opposition might have based on a verbal slip up he made in an interview once. Which is where this started.

This is a useful article, summarising the UK government's concerns:

These conspiracy theories often exploit valid questions or go far beyond legitimate concerns - instead suggesting elaborate plots for which there is no evidence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68990672.amp

David Cameron's trade mission to India in 2010 kick-started with a speech at Infosys' headquarters in Bangalore - five years before Sunak became an MP. Will Labour pledge not to involve Infosys in any trade talks with India?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-10785734

Perhaps some of the businesses Ms Murthy invests benefit from government decisions; many businesses do. You were implying a great deal more than that; indeed, you still seem desperate to insinuate there is impropriety.
Again I have to wonder why it’s so difficult for some people to believe that the Murthys came by their wealth legitimately.

AdamRyan
Based on a typo in a daily mail article

It was a Sky News interview.

I've heard the same, incorrect, fact said about Yvette Coopers son

Yvette Cooper's son is a trans activist/ally and lead ambassador for Trans in the City.