To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

[Greengablesfables]

Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

I can see why you don’t want it mentioned, it shows that women have effected change.

Something you rail against.

Well yes like Brexit the British voting public isn’t known for its intelligence or foresight 🙄

It’s interesting when posters say they don’t want Self ID or puberty blockers but have spent their time angry at women speaking up so they can get things changed.

There’s a whole load of people who were angry or threatening, fortunately many women just moved on and kept going. Grateful to all of them

Nobody’s “railing”. The constant narrative about toilets and puberty blockers does get tedious. Surely anyone concerned about women’s rights would be all over the current proposal to change abortion law? The impact of that will be huge if it goes through.

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3511/stages/18470/amendments/10014840

Don’t read it then 🤷‍♀️ you’re here every time

You're also more obsessed with ‘toilets’

Have you ever started a thread on the topic you want to discuss? or more about having a go on these ones

Please don't tell me and other posters what I should read or respond to.

You wouldn't be trying to shut us up would you? 🤔

Here we go. It gets personal every time. What about the proposed restriction on abortion? That’s pretty fundamental to women’s rights, isn’t it? Or is that the wrong kind of women’s rights?

Oh I see that well known supporter of women, Andrea Jenkyns, was being very vocal about voting against that last night.

Read it or don’t you’re all supposedly having it ‘rammed’ or made to read it for some reason. If people are sick of constantly seeing it well there’s an easy way to deal with that via the site

Do whatever 🤷‍♀️

I think you'll find I don't rail against it. There is more to speaking out and bringing about change than watering down the argument by posting the same old shit on mumsnet.

Do whatever

I will, thanks.

Of course not, but it’s silly to ask for proof as if you haven’t read a newspaper, listened to the radio or a podcast or watched TV for 8 years. Just tune in.

Everyone knows that Labour’s been in thrall to gender-woo for years, they’ve been very open about it. Just to make you happy, I will reference Starmer saying ‘it’s not right’ to say that only women have cervixes’. There’s also his treatment of Rosie Duffield.

I could go on, there’s no shortage of this rubbish, but I have work to do and frankly, it’s not something that anyone needs to prove, anymore than they need to prove it often rains in the UK. Nobody needs to prove the bleeding obvious, it’s those who are trying to rewrite history, like yourself, who need to do that.

Your call for proof is either wildly naive or a mendacious attempt to get out of providing your own proof, as you know full well that you can’t. Nobody is fooled, we see you!

Mn has been pretty good actually at providing a place for women to speak up. The internet is fairly misogynistic when it comes to this stuff.

Obviously there’s anger on here at it existing but mnhq have been good.

Tf there’s somewhere

What is the main point of your posts? Stop going on about this issue or…?

yeah. The threads where women on MN point out that biology matters. Sorry if that bores you.

Well I guess it’s better than anti immigration crap 😂
Most folk hopefully will be pragmatic. They think the gender stuff has gone too far but other things have a greater bearing on their everyday lives like the NHS and state education and public transport. I don’t live in London, my town is falling apart, it’s a shadow of its former self compared to 14 years ago. We have 2 Tory MPs who’ve done bugger all. Most will be more bothered about that at the same time as not agreeing that young children should get puberty blockers. For the privileged few who have nothing else to worry about it can be an overriding passion but for most of us not so much. Still think the tories’s record is abysmal and won’t vote for them.

@JerseyRoyals most of us think biology matters but also that the state of the UK is shite and the Tories throwing a few morsels of gender critical titbits means nothing and is just to save their skins. Did you even learn from Brexit ?

Were you the poster that lashed out with ‘immigrant’ the other day. It fits with that diatribe in pp

I wonder if I might genuinely and respectfully ask - Are those posters who are unhappy with Labour's stance on this issue confident of how the Conservatives will deal with this matter in future, especially given reference to their performance in this area over the past 14 years? Things have become a real mess, obviously frightening so for some, and I would be interested to know how you feel the Conservatives will deal with this situation which clearly isn't going to disappear whichever party governs next.

Also to the same posters. Can I please ask are you satisfied with what the Conservatives have achieved for women and children over the same period? On balance do you think women and children are generally in a better position now than where we were in 2010? It seems to me that we clearly aren't and I find it hard to get over that in relation to a single issue. Does that issue outweigh the general situation and, if so, how?

Just eager to get an insight into the wider feelings of those for whom this subject is clearly a burning issue.

I suppose I'm primarily asking @Allthesea, @Marjoriefrobisher and @Greengablesfables because of your constant presence on the thread, but any other input would be really welcome.

It’s not a government bill, and it’s supported by Labour members too. I’m not sure why you think that mentioning it is relevant or helpful in the context of a discussion about concerns in relation to policy of the incoming Labour government.

I suggest you take s look at Wales, where Labour have been in government since the beginning if devolution.

The Senedd, the Welsh Assembly as was, has just voted against accepting the Cass Report.

And do take a look at the Welsh Government's LGBTQ+ Action Plan for Wales.
https://www.gov.wales/lgbtq-action-plan-wales

@Chersfrozenface what’s your point ? All this gender ID and men in female prisons has happened under the conservatives here ? Only changed their tune when they realised they would be obliterated at the GE …

Any bill or law on abortion that is so overwhelmingly supported by men from one political party is a relevant concern isn't it?

45 supporters - less than a quarter of whom are women.

39 of whom are Conservative & DUP
Only 3 Labour

He comes across as a very muddled individual tbf.

This thread 🙄

Just this week alone:

I've been overwhelmed by a report on horrific birth experiences for women reminding me of my own. That's our NHS. Who's in charge?

Last night I watched a newsnight feature (that made me cry) on the fact that close to 90% of rape charges do not result in conviction. Our justice system. Who's in charge?

My daughter came home yesterday telling me that a twelve year old at her school is pregnant but the Tories want to ban sex education for youngsters. Our education system and our children. Who's in charge?

The school also sent home literature to discuss and share with my DD re dangers of sexting, and when thinking about how to discuss this and other consent issues with her, I realised I don't feel I can tell her to trust the police anymore. Our police services. Who's in charge?

But because a handful of desperate right wing nutters say the right thing on 'gender woo', the Tories are absolved of any responsibility for the overall fucking disgrace that women's rights are in.

I am GC too, but not to the point I'll turn a blind eye to stuff like the above. If the ONLY thing you care about is GC stuff, then you are not really concerned about "women's rights".

Furthermore, the one thing demonstrably true about the Tories are lies and self-serving corruption.

On the one hand all of the above, on the other, they supposedly care about women's rights?

I'm sorry, but NO. They're lying to you to get your votes. Just like they did with Brexit. If the opinion tide turned, so would they, to hell with science.