To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

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It seems that every time I log into social media there are so people constantly posting about how we need to free Palestine and condemning everyone who ignores their posts.

May I ask what do they expect posting about it will actually accomplish? Did I miss something and wars can be stopped with SM posts? If so, why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

Exactly, human's are an odd species. We are motivated to behave in many ways beyond simply factual reasoning.

Amazing how some people can't understand how others might just be genuinely horrified and disgusted watching civilians being slaughtered and starved for 7 months and assume there must be ulterior motives to their concern. There's some really disturbing perspectives on here.

Most SM posts don’t anchieve anything. People are shocked and outraged and want to express their opinions, especially as the UK media is very biased and does not report the horrors happening there which the UK is supporting.

There was alot of SM post regarding the Ukraine /Russia war when it first started although not much now.

@GenerationP You’re very wrong about lots of things.
You don’t know my background and you are making many assumptions about my understanding. I understand very well what is happening.

Just to address one of your points. You do know that this Israel is a brand spanking new one created in 1948 don’t you? I don’t know if you know that. It seems you Dont.
The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis. All the Palestinians I know are Middle Eastern funnily enough. As was everyone before them.

Nor do you understand apartheid.I can’t imagine how you have concluded that there is no division yet Israel ‘feeds the enemy’.
Nelson Mandela said “our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestinians”. An apartheid state it definitely is.

Some see it as a trendy omnicause. Some are performative attention-seekers as already mentioned, outdoing each other on how anguished they can be after non-stop watching what they say are the most horrifying tik tok videos ever and have forgotten all about the Brexit, covid and Ukraine dramas they were so recently luridly catastrophising over. Both of these groups will quickly move on to whatever they see as the next craze

There's also a massive vein of antisemitism which won't go away so easily, as seen on this thread with shouts of 'zionism' (aka Israel just existing like other countries) and allegations of Israeli propaganda (because there's no such thing as Palestinian propaganda of course, there can be no questioning of the highly improbable Hamas casualty ratio claims). This is nothing new, Palestine losing the war it started against Israel is just the current excuse for racism.

I think a large part of the issue with Ukraine is that there is a more practical way that people can help. There are Ukrainian refugees in many countries being supported. I know locally here hairdressers were given haircuts to refugees and as a teacher I have supported children from Ukraine. However with Palestine due to the lack of a right to return there is very little people can actually do and social media is one of the ways people feel they can virtually support them
I agree with you about the mainstream media but I do think while nothing will happen over night with sm posts the tide turning will have an impact. Politicians are like celebrities now and popularity contests will put them out of a job and losing power is their ultimate motivation regardless of which side they must take

There is Israeli propaganda. It's called Hasbara and it exists long before October 7th.
And the UN largely agree with the death casualty figures just need to verify the identified (because you know many of them didn't have even a body left due to those 2000 pound bombs)

Palestine did not start a war against Israel, Hamas did.

Downplaying the existence of middle Eastern Jews. That's a new one.

There are many new countries. Jordan for example, or Lebanon. Both the same age as Irael, give or take a couple of years. There have been 34 new countries in the last 40 years. Keepjng it fairly local, look at the difference in Europe between maps in 1985 and 1995, 1935 and 1950 or 1900 and 1920. Do we get rid of all 'new' countries and go back to how the world looked in 1900 or any arbitrary date preferred or is just Israel that's a problem? Incidentally, there would be no Palestine then either, just the Ottoman Empire.

Every single country puts out propaganda. You can believe the very exact casualty claims if you like (adult men being proportionately the lowest claimed bears detailed investigation on many levels for a start), myself, I'm glad newer stats seem to show they're much lower.

Just to address one of your points. You do know that this Israel is a brand spanking new one created in 1948 don’t you? I don’t know if you know that. It seems you Dont.
The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis. All the Palestinians I know are Middle Eastern funnily enough. As was everyone before them.

This is absolutely spectacular in its ignorance and your hubris is almost impressive. You really need to learn the basics. This Guardian article from yesterday will help you a lot. It's short and easy to read. (And btw, only 10% of Israeli's have dual citizenship).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/15/israelis-go-back-to-europe-slogan

Hamas is the elected government of Palestine is it not? And the initial mass terrorist attack was committed by Palestinian people.

@Alltheprettyseahorses sorry what? Downplaying Middle Eastern Jews how?
I said the ones I know are not Israelis. They are Iranian not Israeli.

You said this:

The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis

Iran is not in Europe

Thats not true, Hamas attacked and Israel is still being bombed by hamas and Hezbollah, the north of the country has been evacuated. Hamas bombed the Rafah crossing the other day beofre Israel took control of it.

God knows I think Israel needs to stop and Netanyahu and Hamas have to go but it’s no good pretending that Hamas and Hezbollah don’t exist and they aren’t engaged in war.

You really do need to understand that SM will feed you more of what you want to read, not unbiased info.

@Alltheprettyseahorses I said the Israelis I know aren’t Middle Eastern.

The Middle Eastern Jews I know are Iranians NOT Israelis. Iran is not Israel is it.

what on earth are you banging on about??

Raising awareness, so many people know nothing about the conflict.

People are posting to retaliate for being silenced despite the risk of losing their jobs and livelihoods and being gaslighted and labelled for requesting a ceasefire which over 35,000 women, children and civilians have been obliterated. Just remember the media, politicians, lobby groups and even social media did everything in their power to control the narrative and label anyone anti Semitic or Hamas sympathisers for those concerned or simply questioning the fact why the fuck is children being bombed to pieces in safe places or why journalists are shot by snipers or why the world central kitchen staff have been deliberately targeted and other important aid staffs.

I'm responding to what you said in the post I quoted. That's what I'm 'banging on about.'

I think it’s a case of looking for a tree in the forest. There are so many political fires now. Apparently Europe is anticipating WW3 as once Russia has swallowed up Ukraine they will come for Poland next. Meanwhile a middle east total crisis is brewing and China will be finding just the right time to invade Taiwan.

Good luck everyone. See you on the other side.

Watched a John Oliver skit years ago who made the point that many people seem to think posting on social media is same as actually doing something.

There is often vague talk of raising awareness - which again if it's being covered in main stream media is actually more nothing.

However sometimes posting and talking does lead to action - groups from that start to lobby or fund raise or people do join existing groups or donate.

I think the thing that is missing is that ceasefires are not one sided. Hamas agreed to a ceasefire no-one had actually seen after they had amended it. To be clear there was a ceasefire deal, they changed it and declared they had agreed and the Israelis went “oh wait, that bit wasn’t in the deal we were talking about so no fuck off”. Good bit of propaganda there. Don’t believe everything that terrorists who use their own people as human shields say.

On the other side Netanyahu has no intention of not flattening Rafah regardless of any deals. He’s holding on for dear life has absolutely no plan at all and is a blight on the country he leads.

Israel will eventually be shot of Netanyahu, who in Gaza is going to get rid of Hamas? It enjoys popular support, seemingly runs a police state (they have informants have been known to torture and murder Palestinians they don’t like) and hasn’t bothered having an election for ages (thats on them not Israel).

Israel has definitely behaved shoddily towards Palestinians (detention without trial for example) and turned a blind eye to harassment of those living in the West Bank, shocking behaviour by some Israelis to be frank, but Hamas has culpability too. No-one made them dig up tunnels or put weapons in civilian structures. Some of those tunnels had children digging them out who died. They literally sent kids to dig out tunnels some of who died. Or launch terror attacks. They could have oh …I don’t know tried to obtain a 2 state solution.

There is an immense desire to lay all this at the feet of Israel whilst seemingly ignoring the agency of Palestinians. You need leadership on both sides who actually want peace and neither groups has that yet.

@Alltheprettyseahorses You accused me of downplaying Middle Eastern Jews. I honestly don’t know how you’ve drawn that conclusion.

We were only fed mainstream media 7 years ago?? In 2017? Are you serious? Twitter was already a decade old at that point. The Arab Spring in 2010-2012 was only possible because of organisation on social media. We’ve had access to live happenings on social for nearly two decades at this point.

Not entirely sure what being Irish has to do with anything. Ireland’s war time Nazi sympathies? Or is this like BambieThug bleating on about living under occupation despite being born in Cork over 70 years after the Irish war of independence? Lol.

OP - the Palestine posters on social are just engaging in bog standard slacktivism with a bit of Jew hate tossed in there. It’s telling how few of them mentioned any other atrocity before (or after) October 7, some of them actively cheering on Oct 7, as if violent rape and civilian murder are some noble form of resistance. And also how few of them ever even mention the hostages or acknowledge that Hamas is to blame because they entirely miscalculated and the rest of the Arab world are wholly uninterested.

@Opine this is your post. To me like other posters it is clear that you are saying that Jewish people belong I Europe not the Middle East which is highly offensive and untrue, read the Bible they have been there thousands of years and Israel is their homeland.