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To be put off by his literacy issues?

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Saratoga212 · 14/05/2024 00:52

It's becoming increasingly clear that bf (9.yrs older) has literacy issues.

After numerous things I, gently, suggested perhaps he could be dyslexic but not diagnosed due to lack of awareness and diagnosis when he was at school ..... He didn't say much at the time but has since expressed considerable offence at the suggestion
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(I actually thought I was being diplomatic, as opposed to saying "how can your literacy be so poor, coming from a family of teachers?" (The females in the family are/were teachers; I get the impression his late father was not literate)).

I'm also finding it off-putting, especially because he sometimes overcompensates/deflects by acting as though I am slow and obtuse when not grasping what he is saying in his incomprehensible texts.

(He mostly avoids texting).

Would this put you off someone for a relationship?

From his offence at what I said, I don't think he would be remotely open to eg an adult literacy course.

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rwalker · 14/05/2024 14:07

Anotherparkingthread · 14/05/2024 12:09

How do any of the illiterate men/husbands mentioned in this threads have jobs? I am honestly baffled. I want to add I used to run my own farm, and even the jobs some may expect to involve just manual labour, actually often involve some degree of literacy and mathematics. I don't even know how they would go about applying for the job? I'm so surprised in this day and age it's even possible to function.

They probably do have enough literacy skills to navigate life
but you get arsehole grammar police picking fault and correcting them about punctuation
The lack of full stops and paragraphs isn’t going to hinder you in a lot of jobs

as I posted before I struggle with literacy. But reading the replies on her just confirms how people judge you and Look down on you over it

LadyHavelockVetinari · 14/05/2024 14:20

I'd be fine with dyslexia, lack of literacy through lack of education would be a no from me.

Anotherparkingthread · 14/05/2024 14:24

rwalker · 14/05/2024 14:07

They probably do have enough literacy skills to navigate life
but you get arsehole grammar police picking fault and correcting them about punctuation
The lack of full stops and paragraphs isn’t going to hinder you in a lot of jobs

as I posted before I struggle with literacy. But reading the replies on her just confirms how people judge you and Look down on you over it

That's not the case with some in replies though. You're clearly able to get your point across with written words. We are communicating. She can't even text her boyfriend and somebody else said their husband couldn't write her name! These people won't be able to read instructions on important things like medication, allergy advice/ingredients or the booklets for adjusting the boiler/heating settings or resetting an electric oven, or looking up what a fault light or error code means on a washing machine or car.

Then at work it's the same. Aside from the most basic of jobs I can't imagine many people would want to hire somebody who cannot read. Lots of people saying farm hand but I ran a farm and I would not have somebody who couldn't read dosage on cattle wormer or do some napkin math for how much fertiliser to use.

Needanewname42 · 14/05/2024 14:28

@rwalker people absolutely look down on you for it. And people are also self-conscious.

I was working with someone also dyslexic. I tend to notice words that don't look right, but I'd also be doubting myself and nor do I know how to fix it, other than spell check. Every single time he was on the defensive "I'm dyslexic" I'd be "I know but we need to check it and fit it"

paintingvenice · 14/05/2024 14:29

Anotherparkingthread · 14/05/2024 14:24

That's not the case with some in replies though. You're clearly able to get your point across with written words. We are communicating. She can't even text her boyfriend and somebody else said their husband couldn't write her name! These people won't be able to read instructions on important things like medication, allergy advice/ingredients or the booklets for adjusting the boiler/heating settings or resetting an electric oven, or looking up what a fault light or error code means on a washing machine or car.

Then at work it's the same. Aside from the most basic of jobs I can't imagine many people would want to hire somebody who cannot read. Lots of people saying farm hand but I ran a farm and I would not have somebody who couldn't read dosage on cattle wormer or do some napkin math for how much fertiliser to use.

The example of reading medication instructions has been used a few times. Does anyone in real life actually do this???😂

whynotwhatknot · 14/05/2024 14:33

na he knows and is being defensive over it when you say you cant unerstand his text

people only use internet for OLD? obviously thats bolloks-

Needanewname42 · 14/05/2024 14:34

Medication and doseage is a much maths as it is words 250ml 3 times a day.

TheCultureHusks · 14/05/2024 14:41

But the issue is as much his attitude as his difficulties. If he was a mature, sensible man with a reasonable outlook, he might say ‘Yes, I do have this issue, I had a poor education unfortunately but I’d love to improve my literacy’ then that wouldn’t be an issue at all.

However he’s clearly insecure about it (which is fine) and handles that in a very UNreasonable way - by gaslighting and belittling as an immediate attack response. So no. You can’t work with that when the issue of his lack of literacy is coming up ALL the time - hampering communication and the development of the relationship. He sounds quite a lot of a boor who doesn’t like being on the back foot and will act the twat to counteract it. BIN.

spritebottle · 14/05/2024 14:46

I personally wouldn't be put off by the literacy issue in itself. After all, there are multiple big grammar errors in your first post (and subsequent posts). I do appreciate though that his errors are probably way more drastic and incomprehensible.

Again, I'd be fine with those mistakes – might even find them endearing – but would probably be turned off by any disproportionate defensiveness from him. I totally get being initially defensive, but if that morphs into long-term denial I might get a tad annoyed.

spritebottle · 14/05/2024 14:47

paintingvenice · 14/05/2024 14:29

The example of reading medication instructions has been used a few times. Does anyone in real life actually do this???😂

Do you not?! Do you just randomly chuck random dosages of meds down your throat at random times of day??

WimseyofBalliol · 14/05/2024 14:54

JJathome · 14/05/2024 12:58

A lot of manual labour, construction, roads, driving, cleaning,factory work, farm hand, labourer, bins,painting, at an entry level of job yoh can be functionally illiterate and very capable of the job.

My father was illiterate, as was his father. He worked as a driver. His father had been a labourer and a factory hand.

Youdontevengohere · 14/05/2024 14:55

paintingvenice · 14/05/2024 14:29

The example of reading medication instructions has been used a few times. Does anyone in real life actually do this???😂

How else would you know how much to take and at what intervals?

penjil · 14/05/2024 14:56

SwanSong1 · 14/05/2024 01:45

Why would it put you off? Are you really that shallow?

It's not being shallow.

Some people want an equal in a relationship and don't want to struggle with communication or anger when their other half can't.

paintingvenice · 14/05/2024 14:58

Youdontevengohere · 14/05/2024 14:55

How else would you know how much to take and at what intervals?

The doc tells you? I don’t then feel the need to go back and read the packet incase it has changed overnight and the label magically updated.

CruCru · 14/05/2024 15:07

TheCultureHusks · 14/05/2024 12:20

Why on earth are you bothering? He’s unemployed, his friends are the kind of blokes who discuss porn with each other, he stinks of fags and is already showing signs of being rude, dismissive and belittling of you as a way to put you in your place if it looks as if you’re criticising him. That’s before you even get to the fact he is illiterate. 6 months? Fgs dump him.

I was going to say something like this. After 6 months you should still be really into each other. It’s time to move on.

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 15:11

Youdontevengohere · 14/05/2024 12:48

It’s really easy to just view the OPs posts, there is a handy little button. It helps to make sure your contribution to a thread is relevant.

The OP asked if id date someone with low literacy. I said yes. I cant think what other posts will add to the thread title.

Chatonette · 14/05/2024 15:21

This would be a deal breaker for me. Although I’m very much attracted to men with post-graduate educations. And a tiny bit of me dies inside when I read something with a wrongly placed apostrophe, or a lack of when to correctly use your/you’re, to/too/two, there/their/they’re. That’s me though—how do you feel OP?

I’d be curious to know how his numeracy is, which to me could be an even bigger deal breaker due to potential implications on finances (understanding interest rates, compound interest, etc).

If you came here to get ‘permission’ to not be okay with his literacy level, don’t feel bad, especially if he won’t look at it as a learning opportunity to gain some new skills. Maybe he’s not Your Person, and that’s okay.

Mostlycarbon · 14/05/2024 15:23

Chatonette · 14/05/2024 15:21

This would be a deal breaker for me. Although I’m very much attracted to men with post-graduate educations. And a tiny bit of me dies inside when I read something with a wrongly placed apostrophe, or a lack of when to correctly use your/you’re, to/too/two, there/their/they’re. That’s me though—how do you feel OP?

I’d be curious to know how his numeracy is, which to me could be an even bigger deal breaker due to potential implications on finances (understanding interest rates, compound interest, etc).

If you came here to get ‘permission’ to not be okay with his literacy level, don’t feel bad, especially if he won’t look at it as a learning opportunity to gain some new skills. Maybe he’s not Your Person, and that’s okay.

Agreed.

Saratoga212 · 14/05/2024 15:35

After all, there are multiple big grammar errors in your first post (and subsequent posts).

Please list them.

I'd like to avoid grammatical mistakes.

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Anotherparkingthread · 14/05/2024 15:43

paintingvenice · 14/05/2024 14:29

The example of reading medication instructions has been used a few times. Does anyone in real life actually do this???😂

Probably not for things like ibuprofen but eventually everybody gets old and sick. My grandmother takes a while cocktail of stuff and she had to be able to read the dose, frequency and interactions. It helps to be able to check the side effects too as some are normal and expected and some are not and can be severe.

Chatonette · 14/05/2024 15:43

CruCru · 14/05/2024 09:21

Honestly? I think the literacy may be a red herring. Making out the OP is slow because she can’t understand incomprehensible texts (assuming they really are incomprehensible, not “I should of” etc mistakes) is the problem. It’s the equivalent to mumbling while facing away from the person you’re speaking to and being irritated because they haven’t heard you.

You are allowed to break up with someone for any reason you like. I once went off a man because he pronounced the “l” in folks.

You are allowed to break up with someone for any reason you like. I once went off a man because he pronounced the “l” in folks.

I have no explanation or reasoning, but I love this! 😂

Chatonette · 14/05/2024 15:47

Saratoga212 · 14/05/2024 09:39

What do/did both him and his Dad do?

Drivers, I suppose, is the best description.

Edited

So they were capable of passing the written portion of the driving test.

Youdontevengohere · 14/05/2024 15:52

paintingvenice · 14/05/2024 14:58

The doc tells you? I don’t then feel the need to go back and read the packet incase it has changed overnight and the label magically updated.

You don’t take any over the counter meds? Dont ever have cause to check the side effects?

Anotherparkingthread · 14/05/2024 15:53

I feel like usually on Mumsnet we see people saying that a large age gap in relationships creates power imbalance and that is why it's wrong even if they are both consenting adults.

How anybody can think a man who cannot spell his own wife's name is an intellectual equivalent is beyond me. It is an enormous power imbalance. I presume she had to read him all his letters and help him fill in every form. I literally couldn't date somebody who had less ability than a 7 year old and likely couldn't open a bank account, order their finances or even read a letter without assistance. I'm not talking about those with a few spelling errors or grammatical errors. It's so strange, especially in a country with free education, libraries, the internet.

Saratoga212 · 14/05/2024 16:01

Chatonette · 14/05/2024 15:47

So they were capable of passing the written portion of the driving test.

That's only been since 1996, not sure about Ireland but probably similar.

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