“Women and birthing people. “

[Riapia]

Who said that?
A doula on the PM Programme on BBC R4 tonight between 5.40 and 5.45.

Have you linked the correct article here?

Another good rule is that respect is earned not demanded. Posters who make careless pronouncements that are easily disproved, along with making abusive comments to posters while claiming to work with vulnerable people in the NHS, shouldn't be surprised when others question their credibility or their knowledge base.

What have you disproved? So far you have been providing links that all say it doesnt exist.

One doesnt even seem to have the quote they said it does.

Oh i dont need any of you to respect me...

yes, why?

https://www.health.com/male-menopause-8575303

That wasnt the article linked originally linked

@Mackmacking

I have literally posted an article with the heading male menopause and symptoms but you still seem to think that "there is no literature about male menopause"

No, i just closed all my tabs so I found another one in about three seconds.

There is no such thing as male menopause. There is no menstruation to cease. Hth.

From your link:

"There has been some controversy, though, about the diagnosis and treatment of andropause, especially since there is little agreement on how to accurately diagnose the condition and treat it."

"That said, there is no well-defined, universally-accepted threshold of testosterone levels.5"

"But the diagnosis of testosterone issues is controversial.5
For this reason, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires pharmaceutical companies to label all testosterone medications with a statement that their products are approved for use only in persons with low testosterone levels due to known causes.5"

All of this says its not a real thing. Plus the website is the kind of site HCPs steer service users away from.

Bad literature on the internet isnt the fault of trans people.

You linked this one originally in your hunt for an article to prove your non-point.

https://www.health.com/libido-7098982

@Mackmacking
You said there was NO literature about Male Menopause - there is

@Mackmacking
You said there was NO literature about Male Menopause - there is

This is what I said. You have not provided literature by the NHS.

https://www.elsafygp.nhs.uk/health-information/male-menopause-and-mental-health/

I sincerely hope the poster who claims to be working with vulnerable women in maternity services is doing nothing of the sort.
Your contempt for women is evident.
Language around healthcare needs to be clear. For the very reason it needs to be understood by everyone it affects. So that's speakers of English as a second language, those with learning difficulties and even those awful middle classes you seem to loathe so much. The average reading age for adults in the UK is something like 9 years old - these people need to be able to comprehend the information. The obfuscation around language in healthcare (not just maternity) make it difficult to effectively run targeted campaigns.
I'm disgusted by some of the things I've read on hear from someone purportedly working with vulnerable service users (women).

I work with all those women and none of them have the trouble interpreting simple language that you do.

From your link:

"Male menopause” is commonly used as a title because it affects men as they age, and has similar symptoms to the female menopause. But is it the same?
In truth, not quite – the term is something of a misleading tagline –'

So as i said, the only NHS resources will say it isnt real.

I think they will not be affected.
But I have read that terms like birthing partner have been used to fully replace mother in some texts. Now, that is wrong.
I do not care if people say women and...., mothers and .... But to have the whole word mother and woman deleted from the used vocabulary is a no, because I do identify as those and I want them there. Whichever term a partner, parent or female giving birth they want to use, I have no problem with that at all.
There has been a medical journal publishing an article with the terms bodies with vaginas. Now, that is flipping offensive! Not even persons with vaginas, but bodies?

Yes it waa concluded that additive rather than a swap to gender neutral terms was preferred.

Again, I want to go back to the fact that this only applies when youre speaking to groups of people. Individually, you use what the person prefers. So most of the time, I speak about "women" to the woman in front of me.

Exactly!

Yes well put. I hope to fuck this person is nowhere near vulnerable women and babies.

Yes i am. My caseload typically love me because I provide them individualised informed choice in my care.

Birthing people? Are men pushing out babies now?