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“Women and birthing people. “

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Riapia · 13/05/2024 18:11

Who said that?
A doula on the PM Programme on BBC R4 tonight between 5.40 and 5.45.

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valensiwalensi · 14/05/2024 14:00

WickedSerious · 14/05/2024 13:07

Or you could donate some of yours.

You have so much and it's the kind thing to do.

What a comeback. Will be burnt from that for weeks.

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 15:06

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Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 15:10

YankSplaining · 14/05/2024 13:05

Because it’s not being used to emphasize the humanity of women, it’s being used to advance the idea that “people” other than women and girls get pregnant and give birth.

Why do you care if they acknowledge that people like you (women) also give birth? Why does it matter to you what another birthing parents call themselves?

1Week · 14/05/2024 15:20

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 10:51

The majority of people seek the term that refers to them and ignore anything else. They dont care as long as they are included. Some women seemingly feel they arent people so thats why women and birthing people is ideal. Trans men dont seem to mind being called people so dont fuss. Same for non-binary individuals. They dont mind that it says women and birthing people even though most women are people (bar those who identify as non-people).

This is my favourite post so far 😁

duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 15:42

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As I said before because there is a lot of literature out there to say men also go through the menopause.
Maybe you should listen more but somehow I think you'll choose your path of fingers in your ears, lalalalalalala

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 16:21

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Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 16:34

Male menopause” is commonly used as a title because it affects men as they age, and has similar symptoms to the female menopause. But is it the same?
In truth, not quite – the term is something of a misleading tagline – while there is a very real change which happens to some men at a certain point in their life, the name itself encompasses a lot of different conditions.

From your link

duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 16:36

AboutMale menopause refers to a variety of symptoms caused by low levels of testosterone — the male sex hormone vital to maintaining sexual and reproductive health. Around half of men over the age of 50 have low levels of testosterone in their bloodstream. We offer a wide range of treatments that can help.

duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 16:39

@Mackmacking You said that there was no literature on the male menopause.

There is

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 16:39

"Male menopause” is commonly used as a title because it affects men as they age, and has similar symptoms to the female menopause. But is it the same?
In truth, not quite. The term is something of a misleading tagline. While there is a very real change which happens to some men at a certain point in their life, the name itself encompasses a lot of different conditions."

From your link

borntobequiet · 14/05/2024 16:40

As I said before because there is a lot of literature out there to say men also go through the menopause.

Though, weirdly, none that suggests they have gone through menarche.

You can’t stop something you never started.

It’s a misuse of terminology, as anyone sensible knows.

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 16:41

duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 16:39

@Mackmacking You said that there was no literature on the male menopause.

There is

The literature says its not real...

duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 16:41

@Mackmacking You said that there was no literature on the male menopause.

There is

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/05/2024 16:41

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I do realise that this is a bit mean as it's exposing what we're all discovering. That so many medics appear to be unusually captured by incoherent and inaccurate belief systems. And once they promote one lie - that men can give birth - it seems to encourage a range of other inaccurate beliefs and demands.
Mangling language, trying to eradicate accurate sex based language of women in of all places maternity care, policies that aim to place male sex offenders on women's wards and so on.

So, as these links demonstrate, some NHS trusts buy into the concept of male menopause despite the NHS saying it doesn't exist.

But that's what happens once the medical profession adopt a position of pushing lies and untruths 🙄A shame as it makes them look foolish.

nhttps://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2023/october/the-male-menopause/

The ‘male menopause’ – what you need to know

East Midlands Ambulance Service is reportedly giving men up to a year of paid leave for “andropause related issues”, which some are calling the “male menopause”.

https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2023/october/the-male-menopause

duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 16:42

Male Menopause Symptoms When someone has male menopause, they most often experience a low libido and erectile dysfunction. In fact, one study found that 12% experience low libido and 16% experience erectile dysfunction.4 Other common symptoms can include:15

  • Decreased muscle mass and strength
  • Increased body fat
  • Decreased bone mineral density
  • Increased risk for osteoporosis
  • Decreased vitality
  • Depressed mood
  • Concentration issues or short-term memory problems
  • Reduced hair growth or hair loss
  • Irritability
  • Decreased volume of ejaculate

What Is Libido? Defining Sex Drive

Libido is highly variable, but you may wonder if yours is high or low compared to the average person's. Here's how to know.

https://www.health.com/libido-7098982

Mackmacking · 14/05/2024 16:43

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duvelmonkey · 14/05/2024 16:44

@Mackmacking
You are just showing yourself up with all the insults.
I'd report if I cared

Naunet · 14/05/2024 16:46

SecondHandFurniture · 13/05/2024 19:33

I thought most of the hatred on here was for penises in women's spaces? I'm not too fussed what they call a line of persons with uteruses, lying on a maternity ward, some of whom may identify as non-binary or as a man.

Hatred?! Why is it that women saying no to men is always classed as hate? It’s really pathetic and lazy. You may not care, but many women do. I’m sure you do care when it comes to what transmen want to be called, right? So why not care for what women want to be called? Why the double standard?