If you own a ranger rover

[Yesfrepp]

Is it on finance? Just wondering how many people actually buy then outright? They are my dream car and although I could finance a monthly payment I could never buy one outright! How much do you have to earn for that?! I’m on 89k for context

Dipped headlights should not shine through any windscreen. Any can with over bright lights is a bigger issue. With this argument, we would ban lorries. Just ridiculous.

Yes, we do have freedoms in this country. Many of us have to drive to get to a station. We don't have buses. What about seeing friends?

If posters can afford it, buy electric. Or a hybrid. If you have the money!

I agree that the public think a 4x4 is any suv. They are not. Only a few have true off road capability. Most are soft roaders but drivers like them. They are 60% of new car sales in the uk in 2023.

Just to add that 4x4 not only improves grip going forwards in a straight line, it is also a benefit when going around corners/bends under power. The wheels are less likely to lose grip and slide. This is a particular advantage when driving in slippery conditions: rain, ice, snow, mud etc.

However, I don’t think it is the specifics of the four wheel drive powertrain that some get their knickers in a twist over, more the styling and large size commonly associated with the moniker “4x4”.

It is the tyre contact and grip on the ground that determines whether you can move in the direction you INTEND. a Ford Escort with decent tyres and driven competently can achieve much the same as a '4X4' as I witnessed many years ago at an off road racing event BUT the underside can get badly scratched on rocks etc on rough terrain. Newtons laws of motion still apply in all cases.

With respect, a 'normal' two-wheel-drive car on winter tyres is in a completely different league to any 4x4 on standard tyres when it comes to cold weather, ice, snow, etc.

In bad weather 4wd does zero for stopping ability and, in fact, the heavier weight makes things worse in all conditions.

That's why many of us fit suitable tyres for the season. It's mandatory to fit winter tyres in many other countries and should be in the UK, really.

Oddly enough, I've never had an issue with lorries. Around here the lorry drivers are professional, give cyclists plenty of room and always dip their headlights.

Car drivers on the other hand...

The Highway Code neatly sumarises a lot of things and effectively unless you are in FULL control of your vehicle at all times you are not driving with due care and attention or respecting the road conditions. My mother as an EX JP commented that there is a law against practically anything you can do related to a car (if deemed necessary).

Range Rovers (the “real” ones, not Evoque, Sport or Velar) are Jeremy Clarkson’s favourite car. Make of that information what you will.

I don't have a "dream car". They really don't interest me at all. I drive one out of necessity because I travel for work. Its a Renault, because it's reliable, affordable, and I like the French

Good luck getting it insured. I watched a YouTube with a known motoring journalists, never had so much as a speeding ticket, trying to get insurance for one, had no luck, gave up. .

Haha if you mean the guy from carwow, I saw that too. I think he got a quote for £28,000 per year from one insurer though.

Crazy!

If you fancy a laugh, try specifying journalist as your occupation for any car and see what it dos to insurance.

It’s your money. Do what the heck you like with it. Personally, I was taught (by my parents) to never run up debts and live within my means. I took out a short term bank loan to buy my car so I own it outright.

i have issues with folk who lord it around in big 4x4s, can’t drive them, can’t park them, don’t have a tow bar (zero point in a Range Rover unless you are towing something!) and live in urban/semi urban areas. The Chelsea tractors. Why?! I have a big 4x4 myself, can drive it well (even when towing my horse trailer) and my car fulfils a purpose. If you’ve kids/dogs, get an estate car or a people carrier. We also live in the ar$e end of nowhere, very rural and frequently get snowed in over winter. My 4x4 is also used on our farm.
You need to give your head a wobble if you’ll pay for a car what most folk pay in rent/mortgage per month.

i have issues with folk who lord it around in big 4x4s, can’t drive them, can’t park them, don’t have a tow bar (zero point in a Range Rover unless you are towing something!)

On modern RRs (and X5s, etc.) you don't know if they've got a tow bar unless it's deployed. They are hidden away under the car and come out at the press of a button.

You need to give your head a wobble if you’ll pay for a car what most folk pay in rent/mortgage per month.

A lot of people have a huge amount of 'spare' income.

If you've got £10,000+ per month spare after all other outgoings - and many have far more than that - what's wrong with spending £1,500 of it on a car you want?

This reads suspiciously like ‘does as I say, not as I do!’ You don’t need to have a horse trailer to want a towing vehicle. Some people tow <gasp> caravans. Not me I might add. DH uses his tow bar for pulling his box trailer. I used to pull a horse trailer but have a custom built lorry now. We also live rurally, on top of a hill. DH paid outright for his RR btw. No mortgage on it. None on the lorry either. Personally, I don’t know why it matters to you if he has a RR or a KIA Sportage. Both do the same job, my husband just likes the feel of the interior of his RR.

Absolutely this!!

had My evoque for eight years, no issues, held some good value at trade in last week, gone for another evoque. Insurance stayed about the same