If you own a ranger rover

[Yesfrepp]

Is it on finance? Just wondering how many people actually buy then outright? They are my dream car and although I could finance a monthly payment I could never buy one outright! How much do you have to earn for that?! I’m on 89k for context

But we're not all like that and PPs seem to think all RR drivers are inconsiderate arseholes. I've never parked in a disabled space and I'm conscious of the RR being large so I try to park it where there's space and walk if needed.

There are considerate RR drivers just as there are inconsiderate Audi (or whatever) drivers. Some premiership footballers have kids at our school and one was the worst for parking in a disabled space (in his fancy sports car) because he couldn't be arsed to walk 30 metres. Ironic given his occupation but there you go.

The cognitive dissonance that goes on with Range Rover owners is hilarious.

They cannot be argued with. They will tell you that black is white. But before then they will tell you these six things -

1. Legroom They need the car for rear space. Legroom in the back. No other car offers it. Nothing - not a Skoda Superb (more legroom), a S Class SWB (more legroom), I could go on... no. Range Rover is the only car which offers legroom. Oh and don't forget - their DH is tall, so what else can he drive?
2. Rural Range Rover is the only car which can cope with British roads. They live 'rurally' ( in reality, they live somewhere where a field is visible within a 5 minute drive ) and so that is always trotted out as the justification for ownership .
3. Size It has a big boot. Again, no other car (Superb, S Max, Passat estate, Alhambra, Sharan) exists. No other car can do what the Range Rover can in terms of load space. Quoting statistics is irrelevant - Range Rover is the 'biggest'
4. Safety Range Rover is the safest car on the road (sorry Volvo XC90, sorry Mercedes EQS, sorry 5 series BMW, you don't exist to these people). It is the safest because it is the BIGGEST. No one wants to be in a 'little tin can' of a Toyota Yaris, despite the 5 star NCAP rating. No - being in a small car means you don't care about your DCs. When the battle of the road begins, make sure you're in the biggest tank.
5. Maintenance They will chortle to you about how they are a member of the "500 club" - as in, every time they book their car in for a repair, it's £500. They'll tell you this as a badge of honour, as in, £500 every so often is NOTHING to me. Meanwhile, those of us with 5-year maintenance plans on reliable cars, are curling up in inadequate embarrassment that we cannot just 'splash out' like this.
6. Envy if you raise any of the 5 points above, you must be envious. Everyone, and I mean everyone, secretly wants Range Rover. Nothing else is good enough, and means you didn't work hard enough.

I haven't even bothered on the arguments such as parking in disabled spaces , or road manners (I live in Surrey, I see these vehicles there regularly without a blue badge), terrible road manners (refusing to give way when parked cars are on their side, barrelling through on country roads when the passing space is their side) , or environmental concerns, or potholes increasing due to big heavy cars..

Why bother? No one can reason with these people. They are high on credit spending power. Their leased car tells them they are powerful, they contribute to society, they pay more tax than you. You can't argue with money.

P.S for what it is worth, I could afford a Range Rover.

Not an L460 or an L405...but I'd rather not have my car top of the list for keyless theft. My friend's mother bought a Vogue SE three or four years ago for just short of six figures. Today it's worth 35k, can't shift it because people can't be insured easily on it without paying £8 or £9k minimum. This is luxury?

No, my preferred would be L322 (2009 - 2011, clear glass, in green or blue).

But I refuse to spend

• £750 odd on tax a year
• £0000s on insurance...
• then have the thing break down regularly (google it)
• chew through front and rear suspension bushes
• throw a wobbly on electrics every so often
• do an absurdly low MPG
• Then air suspension fails
• then automatic gearbox
• And you never know when you're going to get random loss of power on the motorway

Sounds great!

Legroom They need the car for rear space. Legroom in the back. No other car offers it. Nothing - not a Skoda Superb (more legroom), a S Class SWB (more legroom), I could go on... no. Range Rover is the only car which offers legroom. Oh and don't forget - their DH is tall, so what else can he drive?

As I've said upthread, the legroom is crap in the back of the RR Sport and better in our Ford Focus/Seat Leon. The interior fittings are bulky and the front seats are high so it's quite claustrophobic in the back. Add in a tall front seat passenger and it's even worse.

Size It has a big boot. Again, no other car (Superb, S Max, Passat estate, Alhambra, Sharan) exists. No other car can do what the Range Rover can in terms of load space. Quoting statistics is irrelevant - Range Rover is the 'biggest'

The boot isn't that great either, my Volvo XC90 had a much bigger and more usuable boot.

I bought mine as I liked the look, it was really smooth to drive (and quick acceleration which can be useful in heavy traffic on roundabouts etc) and I thought the level of interior finish was beautiful. My replacement BMW is also nice but a step down (bar the reliability).

The later range Rovers look pretty much the same as some models of Peugeot (or is it another make) and as you can't hose down the interior after having put half a ton of building sand or soil in the back (and muddy boots in the front) I am not in favour although granted later engine technology improves the fuel consumption but also when the 'computer says NO' you are stuffed. I bought an elderly Freelander (2003 model) in France as I DO have a field and need to tow a trailer although I suppose a 4WD Dacia Duster (essentially a Renault) might be considered eventually. The Freelanders have BMW 2 litre diesel engines heavily managed by 'computer' so they ease off the fuel if it 'thinks' there is a risk of smoking.

But I drive a Range Rover Vogue and nothing you have written applies to me. The only reason I drive one is because it's the most comfortable, best equipped car I've ever driven and it's the most enjoyable to drive. That really is all there is to it for me.

"My friend's mother bought a Vogue SE three or four years ago for just short of six figures. Today it's worth 35k, can't shift it because people can't be insured easily on it without paying £8 or £9k minimum. This is luxury?"

Yes, of course it's still a very luxurious car to drive, regardless. It simply doesn't matter to me what it costs to tax, or how much it depreciates or what it's resale value might be. I certainly didn't buy one as a practical financial consideration, I drive one because I love it, that's all.

It’s not the attitude they don’t want one. Humans generally do have very different likes and dislikes that what brings the variety to life. However, the venom that drips from some of these posts about people’s self beliefs, low esteem, general character assassination screams jealousy. I don’t like many cars but I don’t spew venom at the owners. I just think oh they must like that car, not for me but no one is forcing me to buy one so I get on with my day. 🤣

I am certainly not one who is "spewing venom".

I resent people buying cars that put my DCs in greater danger because they are unable to drive them properly.

I dislike people buying cars that they patently cannot park properly within the lines, and then struggle to get out of correctly without hitting the doors of my car.

It is a complete fallacy to believe that owning these cars doesn't have an impact on others.

I have been fortunate enough to own many nice cars and I am certainly not the one smashing my door into the cheap car next to me. It is often the other way around. I also always park my cars as far away from others as possible and walk further to prevent people from smashing their door into my car. I don’t think anyone who owns a 70k plus car is hitting their door into someone else. The most dangerous drivers out there are the hesitant nervous drivers in small cars. I have seen so many accidents of two small cars bumped into each other. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Range Rover smashed into the back of or being the person that’s gone into someone. And before you say I mustn’t drive much I cover 20k+ miles a year in varying vehicles.

I'm just the same. I'm really not interested in the cars other people drive, I'm really not that into cars to be perfectly honest. But I'm pleased I've found the perfect car for me and my needs. I'm baffled by the vicious character assassination because I'm exactly the same person whether I'm driving my Range Rover or the old VW our DCs learned to drive in.

I don’t think anyone who owns a 70k plus car is hitting their door into someone else

thats absurd. You’re dismissing my experience and hundreds of others, because people with expensive cars won’t open doors on other cars?

I'm telling you, I have seen it. Repeatedly. If anyone is Surrey-based, drive to the Waitrose in West Byfleet, watch anything Land Rover try and park there, then watch the horror as they try to get out. you physically can’t without the door touching another car.

The most dangerous drivers out there are the hesitant nervous drivers in small cars. I have seen so many accidents of two small cars bumped into each other. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Range Rover smashed into the back of or being the person that’s gone into someone.

You’re really going to do this @Gems2k , in a decade where a Defender careered off a road and killed several children?

What happened to this Range Rover a fortnight ago, @Gems2k - was it put off its majestic wafting manners by a small car driver?

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24289310.man-discharged-hospital-range-rover-crash/

What about this Range Rover in Swindon ?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/range-rover-lorry-crash-swindon-111716436.html

what about this one who has been arrested ?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/range-rover-driver-arrested-after-29112227.amp

PP just compared accident frequency between a whole class of vehicles and one type by one manufacturer.

I don’t think bringing up the Wimbledon incident is relevant as investigation continues and it was a possibility that the driver suffered a medical
episode.

All I know about Range Rovers (and, to be honest, most big flashy 4x4s) is that the arseholes who drive them seem to think they should never have to see the back of my 2008 fiesta, so they will drive up my
arse even when I’m doing close to the limit on a NSL A road before flashing their ridiculously bright lights in my children’s eyes to try and make me go faster and eventually doing a dangerous overtake and speeding off, until they catch up to the next poor fucker up the road and do it all again.

Oh I'm leaving this thread now, it's become absurd and I can't believe the knots people are tying themselves into to prove all Range Rover drivers are evil fuckwits happy to damage other cars and force their drivers off the road. Ridiculous.

Trendy to hate JLR - why is the make mentioned so prominently in this report?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqvnvpxejv8o

Twice?

I saved for a long time to be able to buy my evoque outright. It's mine. Iv had it a month and I love it. I don't speed anywhere and only place I park it is my small office car park, outside my house or next to my caravan.

Funny though, previously to having this one I drove a 2010 Peugeot 107, so I'd like to know when the transformation between perfectly fine nice small car driver into a speeding, bad parking arsehole who ploughs over old people and endangers kids occurred. I didn't feel it so perhaps it was overnight!

I'm going to be honest. They scare me. The majority do drive right up behind me and try to intimidate me, they do pull out in front with barely any time to do it, in case they have to be 'stuck behind' a tiny car (the SHAME), and they do speed on fast roads which is bloody dangerous.
Just drive normally and be respectful instead of thinking you're some kind of superior being.

Evoque are 20cm less annoying tbf

No one is jealous. If I wanted one I would get one. I prefer however to get to work in an environmentally friendly way, and doing so puts me in the class of "vulnerable road user", so I have a particular interest in safety.

Maybe there's confirmation bias when one sees a BMW failing to indicate and says "typical" but doesn't blink if a VW does the same. Or maybe the sort of people who buy VWs genuinely are more considerate drivers. I've not got a clue which is the case.

There are certainly correlations between the sort of car that someone buys and the sort of person they are. This American experiment noted that pickup truck and SUV drivers were much more likely to intentionally hit animals in the road than people driving normal cars:

We’ve got 2. No finance on either but they’re a few years old.
One we’re selling as insurance has gone ridiculous. Not sure what other car to go for as we’ve a large family, too many dogs, live rurally, tow and like something comfortable for long drives. Perhaps a Volvo.

If they'd suffered a medical episode in a Vauxhall Corsa would they have caused anything like as much damage?