Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

I didn't vote, but imo Ukraine's song deserved to win on merit. It was my favourite last year, nothing to do with the war

The point is that by boycotting the thing and campaigning for isreal to be kicked out sends a message that people don't condone what's happening in the world right now.
Calling for a ceasefire now is not the same as holding a country accountable for it's sins for the rest of time.

Eurovision is always political. We got nil points after brexit, then came second after giving so much support to the Ukraine and hosted it on their behalf when they won. I even think the fact Switzerland won this year is possibly a political statement.

Israel shouldn't be allowed in European competitions or organisations like the EBU. Eurovision and UEFA football tournaments and the like should be restricted to what I deem "proper" European countries. If you're not on this list, go and find your local equivalent.

Making the cut are Andorra, Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the Vatican.

Most Balkan, Baltic and ex-USSR territories are not part of my definition of Europe. Certainly not places like Albania, Cyprus, Turkey or Israel. Russia is excluded because the bulk of their territory is in Asia. It's ludicrous that, bans for invading other countries aside, Dynamo Vladivostok v KR Reykjavik could potentially be a UEFA match.

I'm not suggesting the countries that don't make the cut are inferior, just that they are no more European than Japan is. Suggesting Kazakhstan is in Europe is as ludicrous as saying Ireland is in Africa.

Errr…..Russia invaded their sovereign neighbour, threatened us all with nuclear annihilation and is actively interfering in Western state governance and elections?

The point is that by boycotting the thing and campaigning for isreal to be kicked out sends a message that people don't condone what's happening in the world right now.

on that basis the UK and Armenia should be banned too

Yanbu. The UK public gave them 12 points (winner of the popular vote) as did the public in many other countries so looks like a lot of people agree with you.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Not really point of thread but they did not tho

You seem be confusing historical events with current events.
If we ban any country that was ever involved in a war or atrocity then there will be very few entries.

This

"Proper European countries" 😂 fucking hell.

on that basis the UK and Armenia should be banned too

I meant azherbazan not Armenia

What happened on October 7th was terrible however Israel has occupied Palestinian land for 75 years and killing / torturing and taping Palestinians for decades.

Israel’s justification for this is that God promised Israel? You can’t build a holy land on the graves of thousands of children.

OK, but the op couldn't understand how it was ok to ask for isreal to be banned and not Germany based on it's history. My point was there's a difference between being angry about the past and trying to address something happening now.

Why exactly? Just because things are over , doesn't mean that people still aren't suffering from it.

Take world war two. Millions of people suffered from it. And it still affects millions of families to this day.

I know a lot of people who still feel deeply hurt by world war two.

There was murder and genocide on a huge scale that affected millions of people around Europe. This was less than a hundred years ago.

Its affected so many families.

I know a lot of people think that germany have not properly apologised, acknowledged and compensated for peoples suffering.

You're saying when wars are over, that makes things suddenly okay. It doesn't.

If israel stopped attacking Palestine tomorrow completely, there will still be hurt and pain in Palestine over what happened for the next hundreds of years

Letsbuildazoo. I agree. We can’t change the past, and every country has had its hand in some atrocity somewhere at some stage as we are territorial species, with brains too big for our own good.

But Israel is not the only competitor in this years Eurovision who are actively involved in horrendous conflicts

Yes.

Are we not allowed to say how many children Israel have killed and how many people they are starving? Or is it that we aren't allowed to say that Israels singer is off to join the IDF now she has finished twirling on stage, she herself has said this. Trying to figure out why my post got deleted when that is all I said 🤔

It's compulsary to join the IDF . People don't have a choice.

You have to make a case to try to get out of it

Many that join do have a choice as the vast majority of Israeli citizens have citizenship in other countries.

I know countless people who are Britain’s citizen who have lived here their whole life who have gone to join the IDF. They should be charged with terrorism offences on their return just like Shamima Begum.

So? I can't see why that means my post should be deleted, it doesn't make my post untrue. She is off to join in now, just in time for Rafah.

Your post wasn't deleted.

@Carly944 current Germany is not the Germany of the 1930s/40s, nor were they the only country who committed atrocities during WW2.

vast majority of Israeli citizens have citizenship in other countries

Nice bit of misinformation. Unless you count 10% as a "vast majority".

I know countless people who are Britain’s citizen who have lived here their whole life who have gone to join the IDF.

Which therefore suggests this statement is probably made up. Define "countless"? Is it honestly so many that it's impossible for you to quantify?

My first post on this thread was deleted. All I said in that post was how many children Israel are killing and starving and that the singer is joining the IDF now she is done singing. That's why I asked if those topics are not allowed.

Shamima Begum hasn’t returned or been charged with any offences. In fact, right now she can’t return as she is stateless. You made a poor comparison there.