Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Was the UK kicked out when it was bombing Afghanistan or Iraq?

It’s a cheesy pop contest. The whole thing is bonkers.

No but the after affects of world war two are still felt today. Many people live in places now, because their grandparents had to leave certain countries in world war two.

My point is, that when wars are over doesn't mean the hurt is over.

I was replying to people who said that because israel are in an active war, - that they are worse than countries who were in past wars

Israel's assault on Palestine is remarkable for the fact that people in Gaza have nowhere to flee to. There is no escape. It is also remarkable for the sheer intensity of Israel's onslaught (against a people who have no army, navy or airforce) and the huge numbers of women and children being killed. No wonder people don't want Israel in the competition, prancing around waving their flag, singing a song about October 7th.

Stronger countries always invade weaker countries. They're not going to attack someone more powerful than them are they. It's disgusting and awful but it always happens. The strong invade and bully the weak

The UK has also invaded many weaker, defenseless countries .

The effects of lots of wars and other world events are still being felt now, not just those of WW2 though. Germany is, on the whole, very proactive in teaching younger generations about the country's horrific past so that we don't repeat these mistakes of the past. While the Nazi regime are clearly largely for much of WW2, other countries and world events jointly created 'fertile ground' for extremism. What else do you want modern day Germans to do exactly?

To be fair op there's invasion of two armies with civilians casualties (what Russia did to Ukraine) and there's just an attack on civilians which is currently the issue in Israel.

I don't think they should have been allowed as not only are they not in Europe but also as a protest of the 40,000 dead.

Also the Israeli contingent didn't cover themselves in glory with filming contestants without their consent and the Instagram stories especially those involving Bambi Thug . But they are untouchable it seems (Morroccanoil?)

The Palestinians army IS Hamas.
The IDF are after Hamas. Remember them? Baby in the oven? 1400 murdered? 140 hostages? Ongoing rocket attacks? Their only objective to kill every Jew in Israel?
The IDF will have killed about 15,000 Hamas terrorists by now, so they are well on their way to victory.
Israel came 5th last night, so actually people DID want them in the competition.

I don't want modern day Germans to do anything. You are completely missing my point.

Someone said that Israel should be banned from eurovision. And I said but lots of other countries in europe have caused wars. And inflicted horrendous brutality on people.

The people on here then replied to me and said "ah but the difference is that Israel are in a CURRENT war".

I said I disagree with that, because even when wars are over, the effects of that war are felt for hundreds of years.

Agree. This wasn't holding Jewish people responsible. It was protesting against a country being able to use Eurovision as a propoganda tool to show that despite the protests, everyone thinks they are right. The original song was about the October 7th protests. They were asked to change it, initially refused, and when they were threatened with expulsion, a member of the government asked them to change it so they could still go. You would think the Israeli government would have other things on their mind, but no, they weren't too busy to intervene in some singing contest. It was incredibly political. This was one protest that was specifically about the state of Israel, who should be responsible for their actions. Their official fan club were intimidating the Irish contestant, their crew were were filming people without their permission and yet the Dutch were banned for shouting at a photographer.

Exactly. Also WWII was over 70 years ago...

@Carly944 what exactly is your reason for mentioning Germany in particular? 🙄
Is it because you think Germany is the only European country with a history of wrong doing or was it an easy target?

You say that like thats a long time ago.

That's not long ago!

How can you really not see the difference between the PAST and the PRESENT???

Neither are lots of events that have caused distress though. Other European countries were not blameless in WW1/WW2 or in other conflicts/events!

What do you mean? I mentioned several different countries in my opening post.

You replied to me specifically about germany, so I replied back to you about germany.

Why are you so defensive?

I'm struggling to figure out what relevant point you really think you're making.
I'm also confused as to what you think I'm defensive of.

Are you serious.

Read back. I mentioned countries other than germany in my opening post. Go back and look. See? Germany was one of the countries I referred to, as they started the most recent world war.

Why are you so defensive about germany?

So true! I remember when all Russian players were all banned from wimbledon the other year due to Ukraine invasion.... Yet British and American players can play with everything in their countries past.... It's selective outrage on the enemies and allies of the West. Russia is an enemy of the West so they're bad and Israel is an friend to the West so they're good.

You said to me "why did you mention Germany, do you think it's an easy target".

That's defensive.

I mentioned a lot of different countries. So I'm not sure why you keep going on about Germany in particular.

Again, why do you think pointing out factual information is being defensive?
I'd ask you if you're really serious comparing WW2 and the current genocide, but for some odd reason it seems you are.

I must have missed the part when Ukrainians brutally raped and murdered over 1,000 Russians to start the war…

Russia launched an attack on Ukraine that was unprovoked. Israel’s attack on Hamas was 100% provoked. It doesn’t make it right or moral or excuse every Israeli military action, but the two conflicts are very different. Trying to ‘cut and paste’ the rationale and context of one on to the other ignores a lot of complexity.

You talk about propaganda but when I look at this thread I see every pro Palestinian post remains when many pro Israel posts have been removed.

just so you know Eden golan is due to join the IDF on her return to Israel. so effectively Israel entered an idf soldier who will be put there taking part in their military action in gaza after eurovision. that is totally different from someone from any other European nation who is purely a singer and nothing to do with their past atrocities.

personally I don't think either Australia or Israel should be in eurovision.

also the contestants should at least be able to sing.

Because we can't change the past but can put pressure on a government now to stop what it's doing. Much like when many countries refused to trade with South Africa during apartheid?

Not that boycotting eurovision will have the same impact as stopping trade with a country I know, but the idea was to put pressure on isreal to stop what it's doing. Obviously you can never erase the hurt of anything.