Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

I think european countries should be in european competitions. If someone wants a competition to cover more of the world or all of the world they could start one.

If they were a military commander I would expect them to both know, and implement, the Geneva Convention. Even wars have rules, that specifically protect civilians, the sick and the wounded.
The Israeli army are ignoring the Geneva Convention every single day .. and we (the UK), as a trader of weapons and technology are enabling it.

Many people in Northern Ireland also want to be part of the UK.

Hence… all the friction.

And as for Germany - most people wouldn’t have even been born during WWII, it would be very odd to exclude them permanently.

The whole point of Eurovision is as a way of the countries doing something together that’s not political / warmongering.

There is a difference between a live conflict and an historic one.

This could go back and forth for a while. I tried to avoid it by the clarification ‘some but not all’ but it seems that was ignored. Here is a novel idea - both could be true? Not all criticism of Israel is anti Semitic but certainly some is!

Ukraine is currently being invaded by barbaric, murderous neighbours.

Do you really think that's the same as Israel?

This.

Note the word 'equally' in my post.

That didn't answer my question. I'm asking how Hamas would be eliminated without civilian casualties.

Well I wouldn't suggest the civilians should all move to a certain area to be safe and then bomb that area. It would be a start wouldn't it?

Agree

Russia has invaded a country that is not theirs so banned from the contest.

Israel has invaded a country and committing genocide as we speak...allowed to take place.

Double standards

Let’s also not forget deliberately bombing aid vehicles in order to stop the most very basic from reaching those civilians after they’ve been bombed.

But hey, according to some posters on this thread, all of that is completely reasonable.

Are you from the UK. Do you think the UK ruling over "commonwealth" countries is reasonable?

Once again we've got the tired old trope appearing about how people disagreeing with you must be a bot rather than accept that people hold different opinions. If you seriously think there is an issue with bots on Mumsnet then you should probably flag it the them (instead of spreading conspiracy theories which dehumanise those that don't agree with you).

A similar list could be drawn up for the pro-palestinian arguments, and pretty much any debate that has occured recently. This doesn't recognise the diversity of thought and opinion held by those debating this and shows that you are uninterested in listening to what anyone else has to say, which begs the question, why are you here?

But the difference is they are not doing it now. Israel was launching attacks literally yesterday, possibly during the competition. Using UK v Ireland as an example, we have moved on from that. People choose peace, it doesn't mean the scars don't run deep. Irish people (I'm Irish) will always have that sadness and bitterness about our history but that doesn't justify hating UK today. If this competition was in 1798 or even 1922 there is no way these 2 countries could be side by side. Exactly the same could be said about Germany in WW2. Its only 30 years since the Bosnian war, that was horrific. Many people roam Europe today maimed and scarred from wars and terrorist attacks but they don't go around killing people. There are tensions in many area throughout Europe and probably always will be in some form but the difference is they choose to set these aside and live in peace. Israel choose otherwise.

The thing is everyone has invaded everyone at some point.

That is the way the world is. There are always wars.

People always want more power, more land , more resources. And they usually invade their neighbouring country to do it.

We need to reach a world level where all wars are banned.

That's entirely irrelevant. I'm not UK, previously colonised by them, but that's the most ridiculous stretch ever.

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The desire to “eliminate Hamas” (and I’ve never worked out how you eliminate an ideology) does not “Top Trump” the requirements set out in the Geneva Convention.

The Israeli government thinks it does, huge numbers of people around the world think it does not. Hence the protests

I am from the UK. I think the UK has an atrocious history in its interference in other countries. Doesn’t mean we can disregard what Israel is doing right now because of it.

To all those not understanding why non-European countries can enter, it's because when it first started, there were 2 networks in Europe, Eurovision and Intervision. Eurovision covered western Europe, as well as north Africa, Israel, Turkey etc, which is why those countries can and do enter. North African counties used to enter more, but don't so much anymore.

Intervision covered eastern Europe and after the fall of the Berlin wall and the Eastern Block, those countries were invited to join the Eurovision song contest.

I think Australia entering is more of an anomaly though. From what I understand, they were invited to enter as a one off, but it was popular so I think they're probably permanent now.

Do I think Gaza is being invaded by barbaric murderous neighbours? The numbers would indicate yes, even more so than Ukraine/Russia.

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@Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong

"I also don't agree with the issue raised above by the terrorist attacks changing this. Ireland was allowed compete during the height of IRA attacks, using Israel's rationale the UK could have slaughtered Catholics in retaliation and still be allowed compete. An invasion is an invasion and very different from terrorism."

Using Israel's logic, if the IRA was hiding in Great Ormond Street Hospital, the British Army should rightly bomb it with the patients still inside.