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Israel and Eurovision

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Carly944 · 12/05/2024 12:16

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

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DanielGault · 13/05/2024 22:44

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Well you've shown your true colours right there haven't you! You'd do well to consider the insults you're throwing around, they're pretty nasty. As I said, I was asking because I thought it was something I hadn't encountered. And I am sorry about your bloody eyes, I have my own disability issues and it sucks. But go for the jugular if it makes you feel better.

CuriousD · 13/05/2024 22:45

AhNowTed · 13/05/2024 22:34

@CuriousD

"In 1967 the census population of the Gaza Strip was 354,700. In 2023 the estimated population was 2,098,389. A approximate 6 fold increase since Israeli occupation and control (depending how you define that occupation and control at different points in time).

Surely genocide by definition requires the rapid decrease in the population of an ethnic group due to systematic murder and expulsion. A 6 fold increase in population runs very counter to the concept of genocide."

Sorry but

  1. That completely ignores the ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, the destruction of 500 towns and villages
  1. The countless deaths in the intervening years
  1. Between 2008 and 2020 alone, 5,600 Palestinians were killed
  1. Since October, an estimated 36,000
  1. The destruction of their homes and land stolen by settlers in the West Bank with complete impunity
  1. The complete destruction of Gaza, and every conceivable civic facility.

Not a genocide?

And the 750,000 Jews who were expelled from Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Jordan and other Arab countries in decade after 1948. Their property and assets confiscated with no compensation. Is that not Genocide?

The majority of the Jewish population of Israel is decended from these refugees and exceeds that of decendents of holocaust survivors from Europe.

Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:47

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:29

I actually found a BBC one but also have Israeli media and the dreaded DM - the latter refers to how Shin Bet had put the warning out about death threats (Israel’s national security agency)

But here’s the BBC for neutrality (lol)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68777801.amp

Again.
Ive seen that.
It was in fact the first one I found.
Theres no proof.
Apparently it was a threat on her instagram according to the article.
Thats all heresay……I asked for PROOF.

ps I don’t have instagram so can’t check

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:48

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Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:50

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:30

I think a satirical news post was maybe deleted?

Yes thank goodness.!
Not really satire though, it was disgraceful!

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:50

Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:47

Again.
Ive seen that.
It was in fact the first one I found.
Theres no proof.
Apparently it was a threat on her instagram according to the article.
Thats all heresay……I asked for PROOF.

ps I don’t have instagram so can’t check

This is the DM and has a bit more detail - considering security agencies don’t share threat information with the public it’s the way you’re gonna get but I absolutely believe this is true

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13400409/amp/israel-eurovision-eden-golan-pro-palestine-protest.html

DanielGault · 13/05/2024 22:51

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You can disbelieve me if you want. I won't waste my time trying to convince you otherwise.

Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:52

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Wow @yamuvva there’s no call for personal attacks on a Mumsnetter!

DanielGault · 13/05/2024 22:53

Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:52

Wow @yamuvva there’s no call for personal attacks on a Mumsnetter!

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Wait til you see part 2 😂

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:54

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HelenHen · 13/05/2024 22:55

That really escalated rather quickly. For what it's worth, I don't think he meant any kind of personal dig at all.

I saw the word Newish and actually wondered too if it was something like 'new Jewish', but then presumed you meant Jewish. It's not 'cunty' to ask the question at all.

DanielGault · 13/05/2024 22:55

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Sure bud. Whatever gets you through as the saying goes

AhNowTed · 13/05/2024 22:55

@CuriousD

Are you seriously attempting to justify the genocide in Gaza with the genocide of Jews?

Isn't this what some commentators are accusing Israel of - of perpetrating a genocide behind the cloak of the holocaust.

No one is denying the holocaust or the ethnic cleansing of Jews. No one.

But Never Again means never again for everyone.

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:56

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Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:56

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:50

This is the DM and has a bit more detail - considering security agencies don’t share threat information with the public it’s the way you’re gonna get but I absolutely believe this is true

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13400409/amp/israel-eurovision-eden-golan-pro-palestine-protest.html

OK again no proof.
We all know about the crowd outside
But I appreciate she may not have wanted to share the actual post but lots of people including Eden have an instagram site available for everyone to see and yet no one seems to have seen this death threat.

How can that be if it was on instagram.

You see why I asked for evidence,

UserNMCHNG · 13/05/2024 22:57

I think you shouldn’t exclude a country but what irritated me was that the singer’s last name was ‘Golan’ which feels like a provocation. Definitely an inappropriate political statement. Here’s the Wikipedia definition of Golan heights:

The Golan Heights are a rocky plateau in the Levant region of Western Asia that was captured by Israel from Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War. The international community, with the exception of Israel and the United States, generally regards the Golan Heights to be Syrian territory held by Israel under military occupation.

HelenHen · 13/05/2024 22:57

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If its something you're accused of regularly... perhaps you need to consider that!

YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 22:58

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YaMuvva · 13/05/2024 23:00

Kandalama · 13/05/2024 22:56

OK again no proof.
We all know about the crowd outside
But I appreciate she may not have wanted to share the actual post but lots of people including Eden have an instagram site available for everyone to see and yet no one seems to have seen this death threat.

How can that be if it was on instagram.

You see why I asked for evidence,

What evidence were you expecting? Intelligence reports? Do you usually disbelieve people who’ve had death threats made against them?

HelenHen · 13/05/2024 23:01

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Actually 'newish' confused me too... so really, you've got to back off a little. We're not all out to get you.

You also haven't read any of my replies stating that it seems Ireland is a member, but does not fully accept the definition... specifically the examples. You've been told this now. Please don't play ignorant again

DanielGault · 13/05/2024 23:01

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