Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

In 1967 the census population of the Gaza Strip was 354,700. In 2023 the estimated population was 2,098,389. A approximate 6 fold increase since Israeli occupation and control (depending how you define that occupation and control at different points in time).

Surely genocide by definition requires the rapid decrease in the population of an ethnic group due to systematic murder and expulsion. A 6 fold increase in population runs very counter to the concept of genocide.

If you don't mind me asking, what does Newish mean?

I answered the previous post, has there been another.
Your first proof post had NO proof of death threats.
I haven’t seen another post from you. I’ll have a look now though.

Yes the one in response to HelenHen saying Ireland isn’t a part of IHRA. Yellow YY background! Or can google if you suggest keywords

Going back about an hour @YaMuvva you said

"And how would you feel if an Irish contestant was accused of being an IRA supporter just because she was Irish? Would you not see that wrong assumption as anti-Irish sentiment"

Quite right.

Yet the Palestinian civilians have been cast by Israeli ministers of state (no less) as Hamas, vermin, even the children. In front of our eyes on Israeli television.

I can post some links but we've all seen it.

Scum like Ben Gvir, inciting a shoot to kill policy on women and children. For the heinous crime of straying near the border.

This monster is now in charge of the police and border with the West Bank.

"In December he was made a top minister by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who gave him a seat in his security cabinet and put him in charge of the domestic police, as well as Israel's militarised border police force that operates in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-66614459.amp

Ah fair enough, thank you!

Is it This one.?

Im happy with Israeli media or UK or Al Jazeera or all even.
I’ve posted before from Israeli sources myself.

I have never seen that definition myself or on MN and it’s not the definition IHRA adopt as anti-Semitic (and they’re a pretty good reference point)

My whole point about your behaviour towards me was that you completely teisted what I said then went on with numerous posts to imply I thought being pro-Palestine was being anti-Semitic and you have not at any point accepted that I DON’T believe that, never have and have also stated I used a very clear source to define anti-semitism - which clearly states being pro-Palesntine is not in itself anti-Semitic.

Not many have been deleted and non that were informative and from the pro Palestinian peace stance.

Well I thought that’s what I’d heard too but actually everything I can find from Eurovision themsleves states about the EBU rules. It could be a Mandela effect misremembering

I disagree.

Jewish - but is suspect you knew that, I’ve already stated I’m having eyesight problems due to medication (from a recent major surgery and upcoming radiotherapy) so do you mind not making fun of me please. You new exactly what that typo was.

I did, I asked if you preferred UK media over Israeli media as I have both

I do apologise if I got the wrong end of the stick and you just missed it though, I’m a little fed up of people ignoring key things I’ve posted on this thread

I wasn't making fun of you (sorry about your eyes). I was asking as I thought it was something I didn't know about and wanted to learn.

Suggest you look at recent figures of those killed since the war started which obviously don’t include those still under the rubble presumed dead.

Many authorities and organisation have reported The Israeli Govn actions as genocide.
For a long time now.

ps going back to population figures from 1967 is irrelevant.

FWIW I don’t think you’re wrong about conflating Hamas with Palestinain civilians and I think modern day ‘supporters’ of most things are super lazy and can’t spend 10 minutes researching who is who

I also think people blindly use Palestine when they mean Hamas because there is SO much to this debate and the fact they are the Gazan government can be confusing to some.

Also FWIW I think Netenyahu is a maniac, not because he’s a Jew or a Zionist but because his limits seem to know no bounds which is one thing if it only affects your enemy, but the scary of Jewish people the world over, the reputation is the Israeli people and the long term risk of what would happens to Jewish people should he actually lose this war (and it could happen) don’t seem to even remotely register as a concern to him.

As I’ve said previously many Israelis I know, both here and in the U.K., are horrified by his actions and were before October 7th.

Sorry that’s not to say they aren’t horrified now but they were horrified before AND after the Hamas attack (but also support their people’s right to safety from terrorism)

I actually found a BBC one but also have Israeli media and the dreaded DM - the latter refers to how Shin Bet had put the warning out about death threats (Israel’s national security agency)

But here’s the BBC for neutrality (lol)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68777801.amp

I think a satirical news post was maybe deleted?

You disagree with what?

• That I never said “Being pro-Palestinian is anti-Semitic”
• That I have stated several times I do not hold this belief?
• That I have stated I use a credible source to define what I believe to be anti-semitic, and that source clearly states it is NOT anti-Semitic in itself to be pro-Palestian
• All of the above?

@CuriousD

"In 1967 the census population of the Gaza Strip was 354,700. In 2023 the estimated population was 2,098,389. A approximate 6 fold increase since Israeli occupation and control (depending how you define that occupation and control at different points in time).

Surely genocide by definition requires the rapid decrease in the population of an ethnic group due to systematic murder and expulsion. A 6 fold increase in population runs very counter to the concept of genocide."

Sorry but

1. That completely ignores the ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, the destruction of 500 towns and villages

1. The countless deaths in the intervening years

1. Between 2008 and 2020 alone, 5,600 Palestinians were killed

1. Since October, an estimated 36,000

1. The destruction of their homes and land stolen by settlers in the West Bank with complete impunity

1. The complete destruction of Gaza, and every conceivable civic facility.

Not a genocide?

I disagreed with the post of yours that I quoted when I said 'i disagree '.

Which contained ALL and ONLY these points?

So you disagree with them all? Tell me how do you disagree with facts, bully?

It’s a shame the cowards on this thread won’t answer to the lies they’ve stated

Still waiting to hear proof from ANY ONE of you any instance where I’ve said being pro-Palestine is being anti-Semitic