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School allergy policy and cosmetics - AIBU to think this is overkill?

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Areolaborealis · 11/05/2024 10:51

DD has extremely dry skin and hair, and after trying various chemical-laden and expensive products, we've found using natural oils in the bath to be the most effective management (rapeseed, coconut, and castor oil usually). We've been doing this for years.

DD9's school has a very strict no nuts and seeds policy that has recently been extended to cosmetics. After a recent bag inspection, DDs moisturiser was sent home because it contained castor oil (I actually didnt realise this). I have no issue with not sending this to school but it got me thinking about whether it's irresponsible to still use these oils at home given that she will presumably take traces into school with her. FWIW, there are no known nut, seed, coconut or castor allergies in her class but I don't know about the rest of the school. I hate the idea of sending DD into school covered in an allergen but I'm not sure how much I want this policy to dictate what we use at home. DD has become anxious about this and has started checking all our product ingredients.

AIBU to think this is overkill?

OP posts:
Overthebow · 12/05/2024 18:35

CelesteCunningham · 12/05/2024 18:18

Of course you can. You can say "Excuse me, I have a severe nut allergy. Would you mind wiping down the table when you're done and washing your hands when done (if you expect the person to remain in contact with you)?".

You can’t ask a stranger to wash their hands! Although not sure why a stranger would be in contact though.

MumDoingMyBest · 12/05/2024 18:38

CelesteCunningham · 12/05/2024 17:18

Because the experts who know a lot more about this than me don't advocate nut free schools. The guidance has been posted upthread a couple of times.

As has been said, nut free schools can hurt people if it's assumed nuts aren't present when they in fact are, because people are human and make mistakes. Heck, I've come very close to packing my DD off to her nut free out of school club with her epipens for her peanut allergy and a hazelnut kinder hippo. It's easily done. Better to assume the allergen is present and avoid sharing food, wash hands etc.

Nut free schools also hurt children who have non-nut allergies which, because the other allergens are not banned, are not considered serious.

CelesteCunningham · 12/05/2024 18:42

Overthebow · 12/05/2024 18:35

You can’t ask a stranger to wash their hands! Although not sure why a stranger would be in contact though.

Of course you can. If the peanut butter residue on their hands from their sandwich or brownie represents a contact risk for you (ie they touch the door handle before you, transferring the allergen) it's a reasonable request. They don't have to do it of course but ime most people are happy to do something so simple.

Personally I wouldn't bother unless we were going to be in contact with them after the meal, but others need to be more careful.

CelesteCunningham · 12/05/2024 18:43

MumDoingMyBest · 12/05/2024 18:38

Nut free schools also hurt children who have non-nut allergies which, because the other allergens are not banned, are not considered serious.

Exactly. I can't imagine the stress of sending off a child who's anaphylactic to milk.

fashionqueen0123 · 12/05/2024 18:52

Areolaborealis · 12/05/2024 16:12

The point about 'nut free' environments creating a false sense of security is a good one as my mistake with the seed oil cream demonstrates. I would never have sent DD to school with a seed sandwich but I've been unknowingly slathering her with the oil and sending her in for years! I once sent DS to nursery with a few Chinese style soy crackers not realising that they were made with peanut oil. I felt awful when I realised this because there was a child with this allergy in the room. So, even with the best of intentions mistakes happen. Other measures like handwashing and not sharing food are critical for this reason.

Have they made a mistake with the castor oil thing though? I’ve never heard of anyone be allergic to that

MrsAvocet · 12/05/2024 18:52

RandomButtons · 12/05/2024 17:12

There’s no evidence of a lot of things. I’ve never seen any data on this.

Considering you’re talking about the literal safety of a child’s life, why would you risk it? Nut free schools hurt nobody. Literally nobody.

Why do you think that not only health care professionals with expertise in the field but all the major allergy charities are not in favour of this approach then? The pressure groups who lobby for measures to keep people with allergies safer and run education programmes etc, explicitly advise against "free from" schools. They don't view it as neutral, they think it increases risk.
I don't know what specific data they base their advice on but as allergy safety is their entire raison d'etre and it seems to be a view held widely by people who are experts in the field I'm willing to believe they know what they are talking about.
What do you know that they don't?

CommanderShepard · 12/05/2024 19:06

tridento · 12/05/2024 18:09

@Gwenhwyfar

But we don't know if somebody does have such a severe allergy
Schools have hundreds of people coming and going. They can't implement rules when there is someone and remove them when that person leaves only to reimplement when someone else joins.

In the case of my class, it's my allergy we have to worry about. People very often forget about the staff!

Orangeandlemonsquash · 12/05/2024 19:23

You can't be concerned and then in the next sentence state you are bothered by the interference

Of course you can @tridento!
Getting the right balance is hard.

Orangeandlemonsquash · 12/05/2024 20:51

MrsAvocet · 12/05/2024 18:52

Why do you think that not only health care professionals with expertise in the field but all the major allergy charities are not in favour of this approach then? The pressure groups who lobby for measures to keep people with allergies safer and run education programmes etc, explicitly advise against "free from" schools. They don't view it as neutral, they think it increases risk.
I don't know what specific data they base their advice on but as allergy safety is their entire raison d'etre and it seems to be a view held widely by people who are experts in the field I'm willing to believe they know what they are talking about.
What do you know that they don't?

Just to point out that the experts don't advise making schools allergen-free as a strategy to adopt on its own. Instead they advise training and awareness programmes including instruction in epipen use and, crucially, how to recognise the signs of anaphylaxis.

At present, I'm not sure how many teachers would recognise the signs unfortunately. In my experience they don't often recognise asthma symptoms in their pupils and that's much more common.

From Anaphylaxis UK:
Lessons learnt...emphasise the need for schools to have robust allergy management systems in place, and for all school staff to have an understanding of allergies, to be able to recognise the signs of anaphylaxis and to have the confidence to manage an emergency situation.
We encourage a whole school allergy awareness approach, involving the education of all staff and pupils. The more staff and pupils who are allergy aware and can recognise the signs of anaphylaxis, the safer all pupils with allergies in school will be.

Is it possible some schools think banning allergens like nuts might be simpler than all the training involved? Especially as people sometimes aren't aware that things like dairy can cause fatal reactions too.

In in Ireland so I'm not sure of the situation in the UK, but here school staff are not obliged to administer medication if they don't want to. In addition most (80% approx) haven't received any training on anaphylaxis signs or epipen use.

RandomButtons · 12/05/2024 21:41

Areolaborealis · 12/05/2024 18:11

@RandomButtons I'm not saying don't ban nuts. I was agreeing with the point above that its risky to assume that because an allergen is banned it won't be in the environment. It might be there by accident like in my soy (peanut) cracker example.

Ah yes we never assume anywhere is totally nut free.

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