How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers? How many anti trans tweets doe she have to write to make that okay?

Ah you've blown it now, Lampy. And it was all going so well for you on here ...

I mean I was just coming round to the wonderful argument 'if Liz Truss is wrong then women are wrong and you are wrong and men are right on everything', oh and of course then I was going to (quote) 'LMAO' in a Socratic froth.

But can you post anything anti-trans she's said?

I think I'm going to go and read a Eurovision thread. Obviously I'm in league with WRONGTHINK.

"Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers? How many anti trans tweets doe she have to write to make that okay? Do you not think she could use her financial clout to help women in other ways than using it to attack trans people?"
Well what about Lumos trying to keep "orphans" with their birth families/communities. Or funding a women's only refuge in Scotland.
I haven't seen her using money much to attack trans, just to defend her and others rights to free speech. And mainly that is by being brave, and having the financial ability to engage top lawyers.

20 years ago I would have agreed with this, but in a post Boris/Brexit/Trump society, I would say never say never.

Please email your MP and let them know you want and expect them to vote for decriminalisation.

Given that Nigel Farage, a hugely popular politician, failed to get elected to parliament seven times, I'm not too worried about this group I've never even heard of gaining power.

20 years ago, there was already significant anti EU sentiment and tabloids were filled with stories about wacky EU laws about bendy bananas etc. There is no comparable public or media support here for banning abortion. The US is very different because their politics is far more dominated by Christian beliefs than ours will ever be.

In the US, voters have a choice between the party which knows what a woman is and doesn't believe they should have the right to an abortion or paid maternity leave, and the party which believes uterus owners should have the right to those things but otherwise denies that such a group exists or is entitled to a word for itself or any single sex spaces or services.

This is why feminism in the US has failed.

Thankfully we don't live in the US.

Yes i thought so

one poster says JKR posts transphobic tweets

another says where?

and the original poster says here you go, heres the tweets

isnt that how its supposed to work?

plus isnt that ‘1 million if you can prove JKR is transphobic’ thing still going ? I’d be right on that if I were you Lampy

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You are aware that LGB rights are sex based rights?

And that they are being impinged upon by TQ+ (gender identity) rights?

So again you're not going to answer any of my questions and you'll defend "feminists" costing up to right wing groups. Not commenting on right wing anti abortion senator's using your words is.costing up as far as I'm concerned. It certainly means you're happy to abandon your principles in pursuit of one issue.

I didn't equate them at all. I'm saying many prominent GC feminists focus solely on sex based rights to the point they end up agreeing with people who are vocally and publicly anti trans rights, anti LGBT and anti women or if they don't agree with them they're still happy to court them. I have seen numerous posters on MN supportive of trans people not having the same right to bodily autonomy that we should all have. I'm not saying you think that, but it is there. And the ignorance is those women supporting attacks on bodily autonomy when they don't even have it enshrined in law themselves.

I was actually initially talking about Helen Joyce but thank you for mentioning so many other names that either court right wing groups or support abusers..

So you do know she supports abusers of women. Thank you for confirming.

As I said, multiple GC campaigners and posters on Mumsnet are supportive of trans people having limited bodily autonomy.

Happy to post many examples when you can be bothered to actually answer any of my questions. Interesting that you haven't.

I think that the right to frame this is that being pro-choice and supporting abortion access is a UNIFYING force for women.

My adult DD is pretty much into the gender woo, and I'm very much not. Nevertheless we both passionately AGREE that abortion rights are crucial for women and worth fighting for.

That's what you will find in the UK, and that unity of purpose is worth harnessing and focusing on, and telling our MPs about.

"Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers?"

She doesn't.

"How many anti trans tweets doe she have to write to make that okay?"

She doesn't so this is moot, but also she doesn't post ant-trans tweets.

"Do you not think she could use her financial clout to help women in other ways than using it to attack trans people?"

She does. In many, many impactful ways. In fact, she's famously not a billionaire any more due to literally putting her money where her mouth is.

The tweets?

I don’t think that photograph in the Guardian is in Britain. One of the placards is in Spanish, very unlikely , our extreme right wing activists all have Google Translate.

Except they weren't though which is why you're avoiding answering then but you also couldn't help replying. Because you don't know how you justify supporting a women who supports men who abuse women just because she agrees with you on sex based rights. And you don't know how to justify to yourself that she allows anti abortion politicians to quote her without any objection. And that's just one of the "GC heroes" nevermind the rest that have publicly stated they accept the support of right wing groups and Nazis in this issue.
I'm not saying fighting for sex based rights is wrong, but if you can't look around and loudly and publicly object to being associated with people who want to ban abortion then don't say you're fighting to protect women and girls.

What words are you talking about?

No, it's just a stock photo.

Examples?

Good god, this really is chess with a pigeon.

I'm sorry do you not think Johnny Depp is an abuser of women? Do you think it's not abuse of women to hit your partner and joke about assaulting and burning her corpse? Seriously?! Jesus Christ....

I have seen numerous posters on MN supportive of trans people not having the same right to bodily autonomy that we should all have.

What exactly are you talking about here?

No it isn't you're just doing a tactic your right wing friends do which is dancing around addressing an issue with "sorry can you explain how that's racist". It's quite funny to be online and seeing a bunch of middle aged women using the tactics right wing teenage boys used to use 10 years ago and think "yeah gotcha" 😂 You keep quoting ME yet not answering my questions. Address my post or jog on.