How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

I hope it's obvious, but just in case as I know some monitors can get triggered very easily and miss the point, in my post above I am describing the regressive perspective on LGB people not agreeing with it.

I think this may illustrate your point. Conservatives (small c conservatives) and gender ideologies both support gender stereotypes. Conservatives and gender critical feminists both believe sex is immutable.

GC feminism crosses over with social/ religious conservatism exactly the same amount as gender ideology crosses over with it, but strangely it's only ever GC feminists who are accused of being in bed with the right.

If anyone is under the misapprehension the those pushing for LBGTQ+ rights are interested in women’s rights, I recommend reading the judgement in Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre and the harm done to women by a centre set up to support them when this ideology took control.

Judgement here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N4R1DAgf3JlR_Ao7ASS18GGE98t6vB-8/view

I find this whole story deeply shocking. Imagine a rape crisis centre prioritising anything other than the needs of women who've been raped? Imagine telling such vulnerable women they need to 'reframe their trauma' and accept a man like Mridhul as a counsellor even if they are uncomfortable with that?

It's just disgusting.

Yes, and telling a female rape survivor requesting confirmation that her counsellor is female, that she is not welcome.

Exactly.

Feminists defend women’s single-sex rights because these are basic human rights and because humans can’t change sex.

Many people with religious beliefs defend the same rights for the same reasons. So do lots of other people across the whole political spectrum. It’s just obvious.

I think there are a lot of instances in politics throughout history where two otherwise mutually opposed groups may find themselves in agreement on a specific issue

Examples include:

• conservative American religious groups and GC women happen to agree that children should not be subject to 'transition'
• Queer groups protesting against the Israel-Hamas war despite homosexuality being haram for Hamas
• NHS founder Aneurin Bevan's support for Hitler's socialist policies in the 1930s

It happens. It doesn't mean the two groups should be elided. Nuance is a thing.

Lots of people think gender ideology is dangerous nonsense, because it is.
When an idea is bad enough, its detractors will include people all across the political spectrum.

Exactly. The strange thing is not that the right wing are against this. The strange thing is that the left wing are not.

I think the left struggle with the concept that supposedly oppressed people can be oppressors. That's why they won't say a peep about the misogyny in some non western cultures.

Agreed.

It's bizarrely black and white in its thinking. I'd love to know more about how this rigidity came about

And because they've never been able to place 'women' in all their complexity into the oppression hierarchy, it's often resulted in total disregard of women's rights and needs.

I think the left are also too caught in their inclusiveness loop. Inclusiveness s a very fine concept. However, when you end up losing boundaries because of the constant push to normalise boundary erosion ( ie. Queer theory and destabilising established science and societal boundaries), how do you re- establish boundaries without countering your new now expanded acceptable behaviour.

For instance, look at the Green Party and its candidates such as Poulton (now ex-candidate) and now Sparkles / Molly. In the Green Party’s determination to be the most inclusive Party, they keep encouraging candidates with sexual fetishes that they self publish to social media. Having candidates who lack these boundaries and who lack the ability to put aside their own intolerances of other opinion is never going to be the key to building a report with the community who wants a candidate to reliably represent the needs of all the electorate.

Considering the way the Green Party has become so authoritarian and totalitarian while now actively encouraging the rejection of even listening to constituents who don’t hold the same philosophical belief based on theory and pseudo science, it is clear that some components of the left really have issues to address.

That through this totalitarianist and authoritarianist dimension that has become so strong, they really have lost understanding of who is oppressed and who are the oppressors.