How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

“In the UK, politicians are taking American policies.”

evidence please. I’ve seen no attempts in the U.K. to criminalise abortion or deny LGB a place in society. If you see some of what’s happening in America it’s terrifying for women, lesbians and gays. I’ve not seen anything like that here.

I’ve deliberately left of the T there because thier rights are much more hotly contested and not established in the U.K.

Totally agree feminism used to be about equality and being the same as men. If MN is anything to go by it's now about enforcing old stereotypes that woman need to be protected and kept safe from big scary men. I'm currently laying on the sun lounger looking at the outdoor bar I need to finish.....husband wouldn't know where to start. I also worry for my son that it's going to become to risky to talk to woman as they will always be believed regardless of the evidence as they are soooo weak.

What on Earth are you on about?

What do you mean by female OP?

Look. You do know treating everyone the same is sometimes the most unfair thing to do?

Feminism isn't about equality for everyone, that is egalitarian, Feminism is a political movement to liberate women and girls from patriarchy based on our sex.

To get to the root of this you need to focus on the most vulnerable women in society. Women in prison, women who have been raped, women who are trafficked into the sex trade etc

So yes basic safeguarding applies here, away from men.

Equality is about equal opportunities, not about pretending the differences which cause the reduced opportunities in the first place don't exist.

What do you mean by your comment about women's safety? Do you not believe DV and SA statistics?

In recent UK elections I saw no politicians campaigning on such grounds. The winning candidates in my area were certainly not pushing these ideologies. The US is very different to the UK politically ( and there are huge regional differences there too). Have you any examples of mainstream UK parties pushing anti-feminist policies? It would help me understand your concerns if you could provide some.

You think women don’t need to be protected from men?

OP I don't understand your post.

It's a bit more helpful if you give some examples.

LGB is also not the same as T.

There definitely is a backlash against the "born in the wrong body" ideology being taught to kids because it's anti science etc

I don't see a political backlash against LGB or Females apart from in the very republican states or the usual shitshow countries who are profoundly homophobic/misogynistic.

It is really hard to know what on earth you are talking about, OP. Either you have been too caught up in the batshit politics of the American right, or you are possibly posting in bad faith?

Women, OP. Not 'females'.

‘Extreme’ US anti-abortion group ramps up lobbying in Westminster | Abortion | The Guardian - These groups don't want abortion available in the UK.

Not sure I am following your post.
There are different types or waves of feminism and I am far from a feminist scholar but its not correct to say females are the same as males.

Women should be able to do the same jobs as men, and men should be able to do the same work as women....including SAH parenting.
But that requires some adaptations for women who are, on average, smaller and weaker than men. And who do suffer from different behavioural expectations in childhood, which affect our adult behaviours.

I agree women's sex based rights need protecting
LGB rights do to....although their are different barriers and different solutions

I disagree with gender stereotyping and strongly believe girls and boys should be able to wear any clothes and do any hobby or study any subject....but to allow girls & boys access we need to be really careful about what certain trans rights or our understanding of trans issues says about gender and reinforces gender stereotypes.

At the moment/recently the prevailing opinion seems to be biologically no difference between males & females....but we have "gendered" brains.
This is the opposite to what is true and just reinforces gender stereotypes and blocks access.
Eg. A male who wants to be a ballet dancer is not a girl, and will struggle to meet expectations of a female dancer. But there are different expectations on male dancers and that's OK.
A women who wants to drive a bus is not a man, and will struggle to drive a bus designed for someone of 6ft with long legs, big feet and superior upper body strength...but a vehicle designed for people of any body type is an adaptation that benefits women.

A bunch of nutters lobbying the Government doesn't mean that the Government will do their bidding. There would be uproar, if they did try to deny abortions in the UK.

There have always been anti-abortion activists in the UK. That’s why there are exclusion zones around abortion clinics where you can’t protest.

Women are under attack from 2 fronts - from the right wing who use religion as an excuse to seek to control their bodies and from the people supporting self ID trans rights who expect women to open up their safe spaces to anyone who calls themselves a woman. The first side is not new. It’s always been there but it’s shouting louder than ever before, helped by Trump stacking the Supreme Court in the States. The second wave of attacks is newer. The difficulty is, we are expected to pick one of those 2 sides when most women don’t support either.

Oh, and my understanding is that lesbians are far more under attack from trans activists than anyone else.

@Peachoolongtea not when it creates an environment that puts our sons at risk of untrue accusations and harms the opportunities of girls no. It's about what is best overall not best for everyone. We have a situation where companies are reluctant to employ woman because "flex appeal" a year off for a baby etc which is harming woman's progression.

Look at voting woman who vote for the candidate they think is best not the one backing woman's "rights" are seen as mysogenistic.

Actual abuse has been trivialised by #metoo what was flirting or drunk escapades is now used as an attack against men. How can serious sexual assault be taken seriously when people are being accused of all sorts for minor things. A lot of which isn't even true!

Nutters lobbying in the UK will go nowhere. There would be riots if it did.

Stop trying to apply American logic to the UK. The two countries are worlds apart.

TQ+ "rights" are the biggest threat to both LGB and women's rights in the UK.

I've read and listen to Miriam Cates, Kate Forbes and Liz Truss and some of the words they use in discussion are being taken from America politics. The UK is a strong minded country but rights can be slowly eroded.

'LBGT' is a fake construct, for starters.

And the UK is not the US. Never will be. The UK will never 'take' US socio-political policies. Absolute barking mad rubbish to think so and even suggest it (hence Truss suggesting it ...)

Just stop with the women are lying. A very very small percentage of women make up accusations.

You do know that abortion isn't decriminalised right? And that the fight to decriminalise it, is not getting enough support from MPs?

Typical Guardian hyperbole.

The legislation for buffer zones was only introduced last year after years and years of campaigning and isn't even as effective as it needs to be as it's been watered down enough to still allow people to approach women and "pray".

Does it concern you how many people in the first group you describe agree with some women's attacks on the LGBTQ community? Do you think that there is any danger is cosying up to and boosting right wing groups when arguing against trans rights and bodily autonomy? When women's bodily autonomy isn't even fully protected in law yet?

In October 2019 abortion decriminalised and became lawful in Northern Ireland. A new framework for lawful abortion services came into effect on 31 March 2020.

It will happen in the rest of the UK in time. The sane, wider public has no appetite for Victorian / religious restrictions remaining. MPs would do well to remember this.