How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

I'm getting a bit sick of people mischaracterising gender critical feminism to score points.

I don't align with Malta at all and I'm not sure why you think I would? I've been quite consistent that I support legal protects and rights for women and LGBT people.

But Lampy as you are pro-LBGT+ like countries like Malta or Brazil that is evidence that you must align with their anti-abortion policies. We know this is true because it applies the same logic you have consistently applied on this thread.

No actually my assertation was that political parties and groups that want to curtail the rights of LGBT people also want to curtail women's rights and that we see this play out globally. And when you vote for and supporting these parties because you want to curtail the rights of LGBT people you're inevitably voting to erode women's rights.

Genuine question - do you just do a brief Google of "where is abortion illegal TRANS"? Because you're quick to throw out countries where you clearly know nothing about their political landscape. Yes Brazil has self ID and there's also a massive political for decriminalising abortion. They had a non binding supreme court ruling and the outcome of a binding vote is still awaited. And Pakistan doesn't even have self ID anymore? It's almost like you don't actually care to keep up to date with politics or human rights which would be fine if you weren't part of perpetuating the Tory culture war.

Except for the 5 or 6 recent tables amendments to curtail it.

Thanks for showing you do actually support conversion therapy 👍🏻 and no those stats were for LGB and it was 8% for trans but yeah probably just people caring about them.

I used to think you guys were just pulling stuff out of your arse but actually I think you just read each others bull💩 and don't apply even a second of critical thinking to it and just repeat it cos you like the sound of it.
Go on and show everyone your data that the majority of people holding gender critical views are left wing women please. It sounds groundbreaking.

You can't just lump everyone who knows what biological sex is and doesn't share your bizarre belief system into one big group, set against your fringe belief. Well not if you're trying to make any kind of good faith argument, anyway.

You're a prime example of the middle aged blokes in the GC movement tbh. I think it's a bit hypocritical that you're against men inserting themselves in women's spaces while you regularly post on the feminist board as if women need your input. Don't you have anything better to do?

Well you love lumping all trans people in together no?

In what sense?

It's been me all along I haven't gone anywhere. Care to clarify your no doubt searingly insightful point, as I requested?

Did you not fancy finishing defending JKs women beating/ rapists mates?

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

But that's not the logic I've applied at all is it? That's your logic. You're anti LGBT rights and (in your head) pro womens' rights, so you believe any one who supports LGBT people would be anti women and celebrate a Draconian abortion law? I support LGBT and women's rights. I couldn't celebrate any MP or campaigner who supports women's rights but is homophobic for example and I wouldn't welcome them into any feminist space. This whole thread has been people defending your GC movement including and platforming people who are anti women's rights because they are also anti trans. Some of you keep trying to act like it's a coincidence they have something in common but that doesn't really fly when it's not a small % and you also say nothing to distance yourselves from them and then you platform them even when they have Nazis at their rallies 🤷🏻‍♀️ If you insist so much that the racist, bigoted, anti choice people don't represent the GC movement you still can't provide any examples of them a, being called out or b, your champions of women calling out the threat they pose to women.

No I checked. You were quite insistent that JK isn't disingenuous in her concern for women being assaulted while she mingles with rapists and people who beat up women.

I didn't defend any men though, did I? Don't fib.

But that's not the logic I've applied at all is it?

Yes it is. Stop being so disingenuous.

You got "I support conversion therapy" from my posts?

Please show your working.

And your raw data.

I was defending JKR, and you said I was defending those men, so don't lie, please, but you have zero good faith arguments so I can see why you need to.

That's the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped.

The Depp/Amber Heard trial divided the world. I don't know why JKR, staunchly feminist, believed him. You would have to ask her, not me.

I'd say its in keeping with her track record of supporting abusive men personally.

JKR has done some amazing things for women and children. I don't think Depp came out as innocent but I don't really know enough to judge tbh as I didn't follow closely. I know there were accusations of abuse on both sides.

She hasn't defended conversion therapy and restricting abortion though. Stop lying about people.

We'd know more if she didn't threaten legal action when asked about it. It's a shame that she shares so many of her views on the risks to women but she doesn't like to talk about not supporting victims of men she's mates with.