How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

You mean except the numerous right wing governments and political parties that support it in relation to left wing or liberal governments? Or that the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite? Or that when you really get into it with half of the GC posters on here they reveal their right wing political opinions on other issues? That's what my opinion is based on. Happy for you to prove me wrong if you are actually suggesting that it's a more popular belief amongst left wing or liberal people?

I've never met a genderist who could give me any reason to change my view as to why I should welcome some males into women's spaces that wasn't essentially "because they really want to be considered women". Doesn't work for me I'm afraid. We're not dealing with a rational belief system here.

There are no non-disingenuous TRA talking points.

... the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite?

I suspect a trip to Planet Earth is in order.

I find it very interesting that those "right wing" "racist" people that you are spouting on about are also the ones not only protecting the children, but are the ones willing to have an open discussion about this without resorting to violence, name calling, throwing abuse or trying to cancel the other side.

So to be clear you're standing up for people who literally also post about white supremacy as long as they are "protecting children"?
But I thought my perception that a lot of GC people cosy up to right wingers out of my arse 🤔

Nah just click on any random profile kissing JKs arse

OP feminists on MN are pushing against the stereotypes that say women must have long hair, wear makeup or revealing clothing, and only do certain occupations. There is nothing about engineering, space, short hair, no makeup or jeans and t-shirt that stops them being for girls. It is the push of the ‘LGBT’ movement that says we must conform to stereotypes - that if you are a girl who prefers short hair and football then you must really be a boy. Or that if you don’t like such stereotypes then that is not because the stereotypes are just that and girls are free to like climbing trees, and boys to dress up as fairies, but because they are ‘non-binary’.

None of that gender crap changes the fact that we are two sexes and we cannot change sex. That men commit 98% of sexual assaults and 88% of victims are women. That only women get pregnant. That women have a disadvantage at sports which means without a separate category we would have no sport. That women get different cancers and need different medication doses. That our heart attack symptoms are different and seat belts designed for men are not safe for women.

Late to the thread. It appears that we have an OP with some vague, ill defined concerns that sets up @Lampy123678 to effectively spam swamp the thread. They appear to be not based in the UK (as shown by their posting times, their reference to evening during the UK morning) and their lack of understanding of the nuances of UK law and culture. Is it half term elsewhere in the English speaking world?

I see that you have missed the use of quotation marks, or do not understand that it refers to your definitions of these people.

But then you are happy to support people that are not only infringing on the rights of women and children. but physically and mentally abuse them.

Also I didn't use the term "white supremacy" so thanks for making stuff up.

But then this isn't a new step for those that believe in gender identity.

And how has 'welcoming the support of that person' manifested itself? All I've seen you saying is that JKR/ other feminists are boosting/ validating/ cosying up to people you disapprove of, purely by being quoted by those people.

Unless I missed a load of times that JKR tweeted that she's a big fan of Donald Trump or something?

I believe that TRAs are a danger to women and their rights. Do you?

I agree with your assessment @ThreeWordHarpy

Nah just click on any random profile kissing JKs arse

We're back to, "Hitler agrees with you that the sky is blue, not green".

There is no reason to suppose that "Jason Green" sees himself as a gender critical feminist.

You mean except the numerous right wing governments and political parties that support it in relation to left wing or liberal governments?

What 'it' are you talking about there?

Or that the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite?

Have you any evidence that the majority do that, or is it just you opinion?

half of the GC posters on here they reveal their right wing political opinions on other issues?

Half of them? Again, any evidence?

That's what my opinion is based on.

So your opinion is based on your opinion?

Happy for you to prove me wrong

There's nothing to disprove, if you're going on opinion not evidence

if you are actually suggesting that it's a more popular belief amongst left wing or liberal people?

Again, what 'it' are you talking about? That men aren't women? That women exist as a distinct sex class? That women sometimes need single sex provision for fairness, dignity and privacy reasons? I think according to polling, those beliefs are shared by the majority of the population, so therefore will be held by people of all party political allegiances and none. Believing in reality does tend to enjoy cross party support.

You just can’t get the quality bots posters with different opinions these days.

By swamping the thread do you mean responding to people who keep quoting me to begin a discussion or to interject in a discussion where the other poster has gone crickets? Numerous posters keep quoting me to engage in an arguement about what I've posted but *I'm the one swamping the post?🤔

I'm genuinely happy to stop talking to all of you 😂 but I believe I was sternly told off earlier in the post for not responding to people quick enough let alone not responding at all.

I'd love to know what laws you think I don't understand the nuance off!

Nope. Not purely by being quoted by them. Don't cherry pick one example. Perhaps you wanna reread my posts where I talked about GC campaigners who literally have the support of Nazis at their meetups, GC feminists who have written publicly about voting for right wing parties because of their support for GC feminists . I'm sure they see the screen names of their little twitter friends swamped with MAGA for example as well (that's ignoring that someone with an account of her wise definitely is aware of the analytics of her followers and engagement as well) You still keep avoiding my question of why of all the attacks on women that these prominent GC feminists highlight it's never the ones coming from the right wing? And why? I've told you why I think it is and I was really interested to hear your answer.

No she was very noticeably silent on Trump though ever since she started publicly tweeting her GC views though. Maybe it was those analytics?

I'll reiterate my point again that regardless of what you think about trans people or TRAs if you keep ignoring the religious rights attacks on women and voting for right wing antichoice governments because of your stance on genders you endanger womens rights.

Unless you're suggesting that there are no racist people who hold GC views (lol) your post definitely read as though at least those people are brave enough to be "protecting children". Your reply is very unclear. Do you want to clarify that you absolutely don't support white supremacists or racists being apart of the GC movement or what?

Lampy123678 · Today 16:34

Nah just click on any random profile kissing JKs arse

And? I've replied to loads of her posts and I'm not a racist. I've also had oddballs post replies on mine. You do know how Twatter works, don't you? She gets many, many more replies than me - do you think she checks every one? Some of them get thousands of responses.

Do you want to clarify that you mean that all right wing people are racist and white supremacists?

As this seems to be that you have been saying.

Are you also saying that there are no racists or white supremacists in the GI movement?

If you are lumping all these people in together then everyone in the GI movement must also be misogynist, abusers that like to identify as women as a fetish.

If I say GC views are.popular amongst right wing groups and political parties and you ask why I think that, when I give the reason why then the "it" is obviously in reference to GC views aka the thing you were asking about. It's weird that since you have the quote history right there that you keep getting so confused of what you're asking me about. It's almost like you just don't want to respond to my point in which case you can just not reply?

Except for the multiple threads of GC feminists encouraging everyone to vote Tory? Or the multiple posters in this thread who themselves won't say that they disagree with the support of right wing groups boosting the GC movement? Perhaps if you disagree you could actually even suggest you think the opposite to what I'm saying but it doesn't seem you believe that either. Do you believe the majority of gender critical people are left wing or liberal?

My opinion is based on the evidence I'm seeing, yes.

Could you tell me what polls you're referring to? As far as I'm aware nearly half of people polled think that prejudice against trans people is a major problem and it's a minority that think people shouldn't be allowed to change their gender. The responses about toilets was only ever so slightly more people opposing than agreeing but only by a couple percentage points . Can I have the majority of people supporting it stats? There's also huge % who also just don't give a crap about any of it.

I don’t care about MAGA, I don’t care about Trump. If JKR tweeted about either she’d be told to keep her nose out of other democratic countries business. We have enough issues of our own to worry about in the UK. We don’t have a serious problem with the religious right wing in the UK like the USA does. Voters like their politicians to keep schtum about their faith - fine to have one, fine to be an active member of your faith community, but leave it at the door when you enter your office.

Having said that, we’ve had a right wing government for over thirteen years in the UK. Because lots of people have voted for right wing MPs. It’s a mainstream political position in the UK. It’s not a position i agree with, but I don’t believe half the adult population are evil or Nazis because they vote Tory. I believe the vast majority of my fellow citizens want the same thing I do for this country (eg safe, fair, healthy, educated, prosperous), however we seem disagree on how to achieve it. It starts though by listening honestly to what other people say and ask them why they say it. Something you don’t appear to be doing at all.

Where did I say that all right wing people are racist? I did refer to right wing racist people, but I don't remember saying everyone who so right wing is racist. However I don't remember when anti racism has been a tenet of any right wing group though!

You lumped them and defended it and still haven't retracted that though have you? You said racist people were standing up for children like it was a good thing.

Of course there's gonna be a trans racists out there. Just look at Caitlyn Jenner 😂 however if you're trying to suggest it would be as common then you sound like you've just landed on earth and you have no historical context of religion, heteronormative ideals, race and the right wing.

I said that right wing people were standing up for the rights of women and children. you are the one that has called them racist and white supremacists.

You have repeatedly posted "right wing" with no mention of "some" or "many" yet are happy to try and twist other people's words to match your agenda.