To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

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Now I'm not saying one gender is better than the other. But as a mother of sons I feel worried for their future because it seems this notion is currently being pushed that girls can get away with being drama queens but boys need to keep their feelings to themselves and pander to them or they might grow up to be abusive men? What happened to equal rights? I don't condone violence of any sort but this is totally unfair that boys shouldn't be able to do what girls do in terms of sticking up for themselves.

Actually there’s possibly a good reason for prioritising female medics!

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/30/female-surgeons-patient-outcomes-better-studies

I’m being a bit tongue in cheek here. But there are still more male doctors than female doctors and definitely more male doctors in specialist hospital roles, so men are not being discriminated against.

Boys get into more detentions normally because they display more negative behaviour. I certainly notice the boys will be boys attitude among some parents with boys which probably leads to misbehaviour in schools.

And boys don’t watch Andrew Tate because they get detentions at school. They watch him because they think they should be entitled to anything they want because that’s the message they’ve absorbed.

My boys think Andrew Tate is an idiot.
Both of them have had no problem with female teachers, bosses etc unlike many chippy male entitlement types.

You just chose lazy stereotype language that's all. And that's part of the problem. It's used to describe a girl behaving in a way which is often just "assertive " when a boy does it.

And in terms of shit from previous generations why do you think the world needed/still needs feminism?

For many people when equality benefits others the oppressor feels like they are losing out ...

This is what I meant by drama queen, but a lot of people have taken it the wrong way that I mean girls should not be assertive and labeling me a misogynist.
By the way I don't think we should raise girls or boys to be drama queens (or kings) in that they are justified in copping a strop if they don't get their own way all the time. I see it with adults so much. Where I'm from I swear it's almost always women who get their way or just doing something regardless on if their partner gets a say. It seems like they use the past privileges of men to justify this behavior and this is why I say I am concerned for our sons of the future. We should be promoting compromise instead of one sex wearing the trousers so to speak.

Boys taken off to be taught about consent whereas girls are taught about how to value and stand up for themselves.

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In a society where our kids are being massively influenced by easily accessible porn and thinking this is what sex should be like, I'm 100% behind out boys having consent drilled into them.

All of this.

@StarShipControl "As women, we do have to raise our expectations and we are partly, if not fully, responsible for raising the next generation, including the men."

Women are not solely responsible for policing men's behaviour.

No I didn't mean that in place of assertiveness. There's a clear difference between being confident and assertive and being a whiny spoiled princess. Drama queen being Stereotypical language is a first for me. Maybe I should of said 'being dramatic'?

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I also don't think this is a bad thing? Teenagers think everything is unfair.

In a society where our kids are being massively influenced by easily accessible porn and thinking this is what sex should be like, I'm 100% behind out boys having consent drilled into them.

This! How can anyone see this as an issue?? The mind boggles.

The reason you’ve been labelled misogynistic is because it’s misogynistic language. For drama queen the male equivalent is bad boy or cheeky chappy who get their own way and do what they want but without the negative connotations.

There are certain terms that are only or almost always used about girls or women, like stroppy, slutty, feisty, bitchy, hysterical, headstrong etc and they’re almost always used to put women or girls back in their box.

It’s perfectly okay to call this out because quite frankly many women are just sick of it.

God knows where you’re from but what you’re describing isn’t familiar to me at all.

My sons both do what they want within reason but are also considerate to their partners.

If, as you claim, you want equality then start with that. Start with there should be more compromise in relationships. If you start with ‘poor men’ you’re bound to get backlash!!!!

But as a mother of sons I. just want girls to know their place in the hierarchy as my precious boys are entitled to be top.

Fixed that for you OP.

I honestly don't understand what you're talking about.
I have a son and daughter. I'm proud that my daughter is more assertive than I was at her age. She knows her mind and is unapologetically ambitious. My son would call himself a feminist, he respects and values their opinions. He's certainly not repressed or hiding his emotions.
When my kids were young they used to compete at swimming. I still remember at a school gala when a girl beat one of his male friends in a race. The boy was flabbergasted that he had been beaten by a mere girl, whilst my son was not surprised at all, she was a fab swimmer.
That's progress in my eyes.

Oh my god! Whiny spoiled princess. Your language is so misogynistic and you can’t even see it.

Maybe you could have used gender neutral language, like behaving unreasonably or having a tantrum to get their own way. The problem with that is that both men and women do this which undermines your argument because you’re trying to turn it into a women-only problem.

‘In a society where our kids are being massively influenced by easily accessible porn and thinking this is what sex should be like, I'm 100% behind out boys having consent drilled into them.’

Everyone should understand about consent and everyone should be taught how to value themselves and about abusive relationships.

Splitting the sexes up and giving two different messages (as many schools do) is hugely negative for boys.

Females are also capable of abuse and ignoring consent, as seen by today’s trial of a teacher who is accused of having sex with not one but two boys in her charge, one 15 and one 16. Yes, it might be rarer, but they also need to understand the gaining of consent. The World does not split into underconfident and people-pleasing girls and aggressive and overconfident boys.

As a mother of both girls and boys this thread is so depressing…

One boy kicked by one girl and suddenly the op is willing to label all girls as unpleasantly chippy and ‘dramatic’.

Boys and men as a sex class cause endless misery on a daily basis to girls and women. Speak to them. Read the news.

Little boys shouldn’t be kicked by anybody. But don’t drag all females down because he’s your son and you’re upset about it.

If you learn about consent it applies to both sexes. Girls learning about consent doesn’t mean they can’t be groomed by predators. The same applies for boys. I’m sure they’re not told that only girls can expect their boundaries to be respected.

Splitting them up makes sense because it can be uncomfortable for some to ask questions about sensitive topics in front of the opposite sex. Neither of my boys were bothered about that or thought it meant they were potential abusers that couldn’t stand up for themselves or have boundaries around girls.

No-one has said that the world is split between under confident and people-pleasing girls and overconfident boys. That’s just a straw man.

Oh stop clutching your pearls about language.

Sorry I am not woke enough 🙄

That’s your problem. Language is absolutely important. It reveals your attitude very clearly for everyone to see.

Not being misogynistic is woke now is it? Okkkkaaaayyy…

Yes because you're not allowed to say anything now, political correctness gone mad

I'm assuming you’re being heavily ironic.

whiny spoiled princess
Drama queen
Stereotypical language is a first for me

Then educate yourself.

These are misogynistic stereotypes.

That you don't recognise this and are bringing up a child means you will continue to pass these outdated and sexist attitudes and prejudices onto your son.

And this in turn will influence his attitudes towards women throughout his life. He will think it's ok to speak about women in this way.

It's not to late to learn.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

This has got to be a joke right?

People talk about the need for girls to be raised to believe in themselves and speak their mind etc because it’s only been boys who are allowed those attributes for millennia. People are trying to even it up a little bit.

Boys still are allowed to be all those things, but people are just trying to soften the extreme distinction between what each sex is “allowed” to be.

I have a boy and a girl if that matters (Funnily enough they are quite similar in their likes and tastes, and people regard this as been a bit masculine in Dd, and a bit feminine in ds- when they are behaving the same!)

"Women are not solely responsible for policing men's behaviour."

That's not what I meant. We are raising the next generation, including the men of tomorrow. Of course we need to take some responsibility.
Hopefully there's a decent father on the scene but if not, what then?
It's up to us who have boys to try to raise good men.

If it's any consolation OP, bullies don't really get dealt with well regardless of the sexes of the perpetrator and/or victim. Keep a record of everything your son tells you has happened as soon as he tells you, keep on at the school and comfort yourself with the fact that once your son is 14-15 very few girls or women would feel comfortable instigating a physical confrontation with him.