To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

[Eshmee]

Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

@MoominPyjamas - what about women murderers, other types of female crime. I know two women who went to prison - both were in relationships which were functional. You’re making a very sweeping statement- not everything is to do with whether one has a penis or not - it’s about if that person wields the power or not. There’s male on male crime and control too as evidenced in BR.

Urgh trust Piers Morgan to stoop so low.

I wonder if anyone involved in the making of Baby Reindeer now has a sense of regret?

It's still there @Danfromdownunder Maybe you can't view it because you're in Oz? Sometimes when I try to view videos on Youtube, they won't play because it's 'out of my region' or something like that...

She says she knew it was about her because of two things:

The baby reindeer title (she did give him a baby reindeer and said he reminded her of one)

The previous stalking allegations against her, by Glasgow lawyer Laura Wray. Laura Wray alleges that she stalked her and harassed her family and made spurious claims to social services that they were abusing their disabled son. This is shown in BR, with a few details changed.

Gadd admits that she did not attack his trans girlfriend and that she did not go to jail.

But he says the rest of it is true.

And I think it probably is.

But she's tying herself in knots trying to deny stalking and sending the 41,000 emails, and sees the fact that she's never been to jail as proof of that.

She seemed to claim that the whole previous stalking incident is irrelevant as well because she doesn't have an interdict against her because of some technical issue getting it registered with the court....she seems to think this vindicates her, ignoring the fact that the woman did intend and try to get an interdict against her.

As to why she chose piers Morgan - I'm baffled. She was gushing over him, saying she chose him because he's such an experienced broadcaster - but she must have known what he's like?

My concern is that she's going to go after Jessica Gunning.

It's just all so weird.

One of the nation's most watched shows is a man acting out his own trauma on tv with actors who look remarkably similar to the perpetrators.

Two antagonists - one a rapist and one a mentally ill woman. Yet it's the mentally ill woman who takes most of the public's outrage.

The stalker becoming the stalked as people hurry to discover her identity.

The same mentally ill woman humiliated online by a man with a lot more power and agency than her.

It's like the whole thing was designed to show what a shit show society has became.

I don't understand the obsession with Martha, not that I'm condoning her actions at all, but she was clearly unwell and this is helping no one. The true villain was the writer "mentor" somehow I don't think he'll come forward for an interview with Piers...and yet it's apparently widely known who it is in the industry, but he's not having any repercussions, who knows how many others he's hurt.

Yeah. As pps have said, it is all very Black Mirror.

Real life has jumped the shark.

Having encountered her several times in real life and knowing some of her other victims - every word was pure fantasy.

Totally agree. Except the sex offender character apparently doesn't look like the real-life predator. Instead he looks almost identical to another writer/producer that Gadd worked with who is completely innocent and who is now being dragged through the coals and accused of being a rapist 🤯. WHAT THE FUCK WAS GADD THINKING!!!

Oh that's very interesting! How do you know her?

Thanks team I have watched it now and Lordy me, she’s not a well woman. I’m 100% certain she did it though.

You know her in real life?

Has she ever worked as a lawyer? She seems to have never answered this

Sums it up for me

Of course Netflix should never have claimed it was a true story. Netflix and Gadd have deliberately misled a gullible public into thinking it was true.

Gadd's exact words were that it was "100% emotionally true". I bet they got lawyers to see if they could get away with that.

@Danfromdownunder what exactly are you 100% certain that she did?

Yes, she seems to have it in for the actress and couldn't even resist saying how unflattering it was to her to have Jessica in the role.

I think Piers went quite easy on her but I do think he had or had seen the evidence which was why he referred to it so often.

There was no need to show it to her and may never be if she doesn't take it to court. She baulked when he asked her if she was challenging Gadd to publish his evidence and that nonsensical retort she gave about the voice messages he says he has just being times when he recorded her in the pub.

I very much doubt she will take it to court, just as I doubt the lawyer boyfriend and the close friends.

The best thing she can do is lie low and just utter simple denials if anyone asks her.

The worst thing she can do is appear on shows threatening court action..

That's my advice to her. Stop stoking it. You're making a circus of yourself and unless you are 100% sure that no calls/emails etc exist, you are leaving yourself open to being sued yourself.

"There’s a bit of weird anti- Scottish thing on MN at the moment. It seems to crop up on various, unrelated threads."

You're right @BriceNobeslovesMurielHeslop , I've noticed it a few times of late. Not nice.

Did what though? BR made so many claims about her behaviour and we've already established that many were fabricated.

From her past behaviour it is likely that she has stalked and caused a great deal of emotional harm to people. And she should have been dealt with appropriately by the relevant authorities. Instead, by making her identifiable and then lying about some of her behaviour, Netflix and Gadd have probably just written her a big, fat cheque, given her a massive amount of attention, and potentially given her new victims and obsessions.

By telling the story in the way that they did, they took a huge risk with the actor's safety, particularly Jessica.

I really do hope this is a Black Mirror type thing and it's all a very clever way to hold a mirror up to us all, because otherwise it's a moral bin fire.

I did question whether it was a social experiment when I read this interview from 2014. https://thejohnfleming.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/performer-richard-gadd-on-ego-anxiety-and-why-comedians-are-like-strippers/

“So what is your schtick?” I asked.
“Heightened surrealism.”
“Your show last year,” I said. “Cheese and Crack Whores. What was that about?”
“That was about a break-up I had with a lady and I stalked her and my life spiralled out-of-control. It was more-or-less a veiled truth. I never stalked her. I would never stalk anyone.”
“It was heightened reality?” I asked.
“Yes. I was going through a break-up and I teased it out. You know when you go through a break-up and you sort-of go insane and you think those thoughts: I’m going to do this… I’m going to do that…? But you can’t do them, because no sane person would. So I did a show about What would I have done if…? But, in fact, I don’t like cheese and I don’t like crack whores.”

It's interesting that it's apparently a open secret who the allegedly rapist man is however no one says anything, the TV industry is still the same as it was during savile protecting abusers.

However I have a feeling Gadd still works with the alleged rapist and that's why more of the vitriol is directed to her.

On the stalker, I have met women like her before and they are pathological liars and full of their self importance and very scary.

The main reason I'm not buying the experiment theory is the fact it involves sexual violence, lying about rape can never condoned and that's essentially what it would be.

@MILTOBE

Oh that's very interesting! How do you know her?

I knew her whilst she was involved in the Labour Party - stalking MPs and harassing other individuals. Kept my distance whenever possible and hid when I saw her in the street.

Sorry I posted quickly. I believe she stalked him. I hadn’t thought about the risk to the actress that played her though that’s a good point.

@tir

You know her in real life?

Has she ever worked as a lawyer? She seems to have never answered this

I knew her in the late 90s, early 00s. It was well known what happened with Laura and Jimmy Wray. At that time she'd only had her few days of legal trainineeship before getting fired - nothing else.

What she did in the last 20 years I've no
Idea.

I'd wondered what happened to her. No I know.