To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

[Eshmee]

Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

Some of her posts are really quite nasty, accusing council staff of all having learning difficulties.

You don’t need an Honours degree to do the Diploma.

she has a law degree and the Diploma of Legal Practice. She did not complete a traineeship so is not a lawyer.

Very nasty.

Shes vicious and incredibly unlikeable.

As I understand it, she has never worked, and has all this time on her hands to fuel these various obsessions she has with people.

Dangerous, dangerous lady.

She hasn't posted anything on Facebook for 2 days now. I suspect she has got another Facebook ban. Because it does seem like a compulsion. I don't think she has the willpower to stop under her own steam.

I saw a thing on Twitter, it was all the tweets she had ever sent Janey Godley. I don't believe Janey Godley ever responded or interacted, so it was all one sided.

Rants about the Labour Party etc. But also things like "sorry I missed you at the Edinburgh festival" and "Can you DM me, it's pretty urgent."

As I say, it doesn't look like Janey Godley ever engaged. But that's clearly not how Fiona saw it. In her head, I think it was a two way communication.

And I think that's a common theme with her.

Along with her sense of self importance (why would Janey Godley DM a perfect stranger on the internet brcusse they asked her to? How on earth could she have something "pretty urgent" to say to her?), it makes a dangerous combination.

I reported her posts, I can't believe she hasn't been permanently banned already. That is not a woman who should have access to social media.

@AbsolutelyGutted1 she has numerous accounts, on various platforms (Twitter, Facebook etc).

(I know there are now loads of fake accounts, created within the last few weeks, I don't mean those).

She has numerous accounts and I don't know if it's because she forgets the passwords so just makes another one, or maybe because she keeps getting reported and banned so just switches to another one, or just another symptom of her mania, such as having the 6 email addresses and 4 phones.

Anyway, she does seem to just have been using that one of late. She went quiet a few weeks ago and then returned saying she had been banned. Possibly the same has happened again, not sure.

But yes, she's racist and she's offensive and just downright vicious.

I would love to see a spat between FH and Alice Evans - 2 nutters together

@tiredandabitfat yes but aren't we just as bad for saying nasty things about her? That's the problem here really- it's all a vicious cycle.

As for the multiple email addresses- I have a few myself. One for inputting every time I have to register to buy something from a random website, another one for my side hustle, a personal one and a day job one. Plus a couple more that I don't use anymore because they were in my maiden name years ago.

It's not having multiple emails addresses that makes her mentally ill. Nor is it that she has an ordinary degree, or that she posts a lot on Facebook. None of those things are crazy in isolation. It's a combination of things about her.

It's something you can't actually put your finger on. But we can all tell she has a personality disorder. Because humans are hardwired to know when someone is odd, when they don't adhere to social norms, when their behaviour is 'off'.

But nowadays it is socially unacceptable to call someone odd or 'not the full shilling', because they probably have ASD or some MH issue. So I'm interested in why are we finding it socially acceptable to call FH nasty names.

@Superlambaanana

Yes, I do take your point on that. I'm acutely aware that this post is full of people commenting negatively on a woman who everyone is in agreement has mental health problems. It does make me uneasy, and I guess I'm just reading and posting because it's a horribly fascinating case / situation and it's human nature to be interested.

For me, I find it hard to swallow that her mental health issues / personality disorder absolves her of the harm she has done. Not just to RG, who himself is not blameless, but other stalking victims over the years, some of whom have come forward.

I think she is a dangerous, vicious, and unlikeable person.

Whilst I would never cause harm to her or seek her out to tell her my opinions, rightly or wrongly I have voiced my opinion on a public forum. No, I don't feel particularly good about that. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

However, whilst she was "outed" by RG / Netflix / Internet sleuths and thrust into the limelight....let's not pretend she isn't enjoying it. She is not an unwilling participant here, she is now getting thr attention which she so craves.

As to the email addresses - I think you've misunderstood. I wasn't saying she has mental health issues because she has multiple email addresses.

I was responding to a previous poster commenting that her fb posts are so offensive she's surprised she hasn't been banned sooner. I was just saying that's possibly what her various email addresses / socials accounts are for. Or it could just be a part of her mania.

I wasn't suggesting that just because somebody has more than one email address they have mental health problems.

Ah yes see what you mean about the email addresses now.

Yes, these conundrums - about culpability and human nature - are why it has all fascinated me.

Also I generally find that when I'm fascinated by someone and especially if I dislike them, it's because I see something of myself in them. Or at the very least something I am specifically very keen to avoid in my own behaviour. So what is it about FH?!

I must admit I do have some obsessive tendencies. I'm a completer/ finisher. I love a puzzle and won't put it down until I've solved it. I can work on my craft hobby for hours (or days if I'm off work!) even to the detriment of other things. I've never stalked anyone, but I did suffer from limerance for a couple of years when I was young with a very unsuitable man who I thought about a lot more than was healthy.

I know these things about myself so I am able to manage it. I have a grown up job, family and friends. a normal social life. But perhaps I do share some personality traits with FH! 😱

And to add to my obsessive tendencies confessional, I counted the posts on a random day on her Facebook page today. (She made nearly 150 posts/ shares on 12 April). So I really must be a bit short of the full shilling myself 😆

I've literally just this minute finished the series and found it very moving. In particular, his readiness to share the blurred boundaries involved in sexual abuse, and his appreciation of her as a human soul that touched him in a way no one else could. Life is difficult, isn't it. God bless our lonely souls.

More serious concern is that Piers Morgan still had air time. Perfect person to capitalise on someone’s mental health issues for his own financial gain.

@Superlambaanana interesting post.

I think, for me, you've touched upon what I find so interesting about it.

You've said you think you share some traits with FH. Obsessions etc. BUT that you recognise this in yourself, and can manage it and control it, and live a normal life with a job, family, friends.

I think what I find so fascinating is the extent to which FH DOESN'T see it. How she views herself and situations so radically different to how other people her.

The level of delusion is just so morbidly fascinating.

When Piers Morgan said he could see a physical resemblance between her and Martha, she giggled and kind of rolled her eyes and said "really? That's hardly flattering!" She has repeatedly called Jessica Gunning fat and unattractive and she is mortified that she is supposed to portray her. Yet Jessica is almost 20 years younger than her, and she is certainly not ugly. Yet FH thinks she is so beautiful that she is offended by Jessica being cast.

I've seen her referring to herself as beautiful / attractive etc numerous times. She really thinks she is God's Gift.

Similarly, she doesn't see her behaviour as stalking. She thinks her behaviour is totally fine.

The Piers Morgan interview was so fascinating because for a lot of it, I don't think she was lying. She actually believes it.

(The eye movements, though, when she was watching the court scene from Baby Reindeer. When the judge was saying "you are charged with stalking between the dates of X and X" etc, and FH moved her eyes upwards as if she was trying to think what she was doing on those dates....that was lying. I think that was a big act for the cameras. Look how reasonable I am, I'm genuinely trying to think what I was doing on those dates, to see if I was stalking.)

Yes, I was surprised it went ahead, and surprised it's still available. I expected that to have been removed by now.

There's so many Facebook profiles, how do you know which is genuine?

Re the sexual abuse.

In babyreindeer, When RG was first getting to know Darrien and they were hanging out, Darrien pushed him into a toilet cubicle and they were giggling.

RG, giggling, asks "what are you doing?"

Darrien holds up drugs.

RG looks visibly disappointed but goes along with it.

I got the impression here that he thought he'd pushed him in there for sex, and he was up for it, and was disappointed it was drugs instead.

So I thought they were heading towards a romantic relationship.

So the fact he later drugged him and raped him....I found that odd. Like, What was the need?

But I guess rape / sexual assault isn't as simple as that? Darrien didn't want a relationship with him, he wanted to control him, is that it?

The fake ones only have posting history of f a few weeks.

The real one goes way back.

How does anyone know ANY of them are genuine. Again absolutely no proof as in 100% proof. I am stunned at all of this. If she was in prison she would have a record and it would have been picked up by now. Its all very odd. Almost like it is not true at all and the longer it goes on the less I think it is.

Also for people saying how wonderful the actress was that portrayed the real Martha, how could she have done it if she never met her? All seems a pile of bollox to me at this point.

I think the reality was probably even more ambiguous than he lets on.

I was also seduced by someone who got me really, really, REALLY fucking high, with all kinds of drugs including crack and heroin and MDMA and experimental psychedelics.

At no point, however shitfaced I got, did I go into some kind of coma where I had no way of interacting with someone who wanted to have sex with me.

Of course, mileage may vary. But setting all this aside, I really appreciate RG exposing himself (oo-er) to this kind of scrutiny and admitting to the blurred boundaries. I am so sick of the Daily Mail comments on #MeToo stories, you know the sort of thing, "Well why didn't she just say so at the time" etc.

That said, maybe the reason blokes don't understand it is that in their case there is an element of self-promotion, whereas for many women there's just a total sense of helplessness.

I'm just glad that the conversation around all this just got more nuanced.

@ChickyBricky Yes, it's a complex topic. I am also glad it is being talked about.

Sorry you had that experience.

In episode 4, I thought Darrien gave him a mixture of rohypnol and other drugs.

No, it was MDMA and GHB. The thing is, the (male) gay scene has a lot of this kind of drug use associated with sex. That's just how it is. I'd be surprised if RG was unware of that.

@tiredandabitfat Don't feel sorry for me, it was an eye-opening/mind-expanding experience on all levels! I'm only mentioning this because the storyline is "Ooohhhh, look at him taking advantage of an innocent" whereas (without in any way intending to undermine RG's trauma) it might not be as straightforward as that.

Or maybe he was given ketamine, or some other powerful dissociative, without knowing it. That would explain his absence from what was going on.

Look up chemsex, e.g. this

I’m sure rohypnol was involved too. In the shots?

and these links describe GHB and its effects.

It was GHB. But the effects can be similar, see here.

In fact, scrub what I said earlier about "something like ketamine" - this could easily have knocked him out.