To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

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Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

Both Gadd and Piers Morgan have horribly exploited this unwell woman. They just saw pound signs and don't care that she's been having death threats and now will have a bigger target on her head.

She is speaking "her truth" ie. she believes that she's innocent in all this.
Clearly mentally unwell, Netflix have a lot to answer for as they didn't get Gadd to "change her beyond all recognition" as he said.

I find it interesting that so many people are defending her and saying it's because she's mentally unwell.

I'm not saying she's not mentally unwell by the way, but if she was a man she wouldn't be getting any sympathy whatsoever and people would be saying she deserves what she gets.

I’ll leave this here 🤦‍♀️

Life isn't black and white and this drama and the resulting backlash should really be opening up a discussion on our current obsession with oppressor v. oppressed. It is too easy to label any one of the characters/real life people as the bad guy. We know that abuse is cyclical. We know that Fiona and Martha were mentally ill. We know that there are allegations that Gadd has treated women and trans women badly in the past and we know that somewhere out there is a man in television who is a sexual predator but despite most of the TV comedy circuit knowing who he actually is noone has thought to speak up.

Also for those saying her mispronunciation of hyperbole was evidence of low intelligence, it really isn't. Most mispronunciations occur because the person is an autodidact and haven't been fed the information. They have learned the word through reading it. This in no way means they are less intelligent.

I think Gadd is entitled to share his frankly, horrific experiences with this woman as well as the 'unnamed' man however, Netflix didn't do their due diligence and make damn sure the character of Martha couldn't be traced back to the person it was based on. Online sleuths found her in a matter of days by searching Twitter posts, it was that simple and that was the mistake. Now we are seeing the exploitation of a mentally unwell woman whilst once again, the 'real' predator is still being protected and still has his life, career and reputation intact. It's disgusting.

There’s a bit of weird anti- Scottish thing on MN at the moment. It seems to crop up on various, unrelated threads.

If she was a man the programme wouldn't have been made. If she was a man (like the actual male sex offender in the programme) she would be still anonymous.

Oh piss off!
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I agree with your first point, it wouldn't be as interesting to people if it was the "normal" pattern of man stalking woman. On the second point though, she outed herself otherwise she'd be in the same position as the alleged rapist - lots of speculation but no media outlets would have dared name her.

Does anyone know why she has gone on to Piers Morgan and is doing these interviews? If she emphatically denies doing everything in the programme and she was not named (and I assume that the writer has not confirmed it was her) then what makes her think the programme was about her?

If she is truly innocent in all this I don't understand why she is putting herself on TV to deny all of these allegations rather than just thinking well that can't be about me, it must be about someone else.

It was very stupid of the writer to say it was based on reality rather than fictional, and to get an actress that looks and speaks like Fiona.

I want to watch it. I despise Morgan but I have to say I'm gripped by the whole BR 'universe'!
What strikes me about that show is how the lead character seems to take zero responsibility for anything he does. He hurts people with ease.
Has anyone seen his early stand up? It's really, really terrible. Worse then the stuff on the show.

"The way she laughed and said about how she was flattered he thought she was like the actress playing her and how she knew exactly how old he is 😳"

@Letsgotitans I think it was the opposite, I think she laughed and said it wasn't flattering.

She is very vocal about calling the actress fat and ugly, and how she (Fiona) is an attractive woman and looks nothing like her. She's been utterly vile to the actress. She also seems to hold her accountable in some way, she can't seem to see that Jessica Gunning is just an actress playing a role.

She was also going on about how Jessica is only 40, whereas she is 58, and laughing about it, failing to realise that the events took place 12 years ago when she was 46, so not such a huge difference.

@Tdcp I agree with much of what you're saying but with one important caveat.

Gadd isn't sharing his 'frankly horrific' experiences with this woman. He completely fabricated the scenes where she beats Teri up. He's said in interviews that they never met.

We have zero evidence that she was ever violent, but if all she did was send him loads of texts and emails then it's just not going to make Gadd so much money is it?

The programme gave away many, many more identifiable details about her than it did him. Woman, legal field, jail time for stalking, Scottish background in London.... This all narrows it down quite substantially. And the fact that she "outed" herself is perhaps further evidence of a deeply disordered brain with little ability to fully understand consequences.

Richard Osman quite clearly said on his podcast that everyone in comedy knows who the sex offender is and he STILL hasn't been identified.

She didn't do time in prison for stalking. Gadd has said in interviews that he made up the scenes where she admits to stalking in court.

@BashfulClam yes some words were very oddly pronounced, most notably Glasgow. She says Glas-gouw, very strange pronunciation at the end of the word.

Fiona Muir didn't do jail time for stalking, the character did. So amateur sleuths would still use this "fact" as a clue to finding her identity.

And is more evidence of how abhorrent it is to claim you are telling a true story when you really aren't.

Agreed, Netflix have completely failed in any kind of editorial duty of care, and both they and Gadd are ridiculously naive to think they’d in any way hidden her identity whatsoever especially when he’s literally playing himself.

I think both her & Gadd have been exploited by Netflix, it’s incomprehensible they didn’t see all of this coming.

In which case Netflix shouldn’t have ever called it a true story.

I haven't watched baby reindeer, nor did I watch her interview. I've saw comments she's made on social media though, and she strikes me as someone who is just very conceited and lacks insight (she's made endless excuses for her behaviour, so it's likely she'll continue with the pattern of harrassing people).
Her marbles are clearly a bit scattered, but I don't think her behaviour can be put down to mental illness - I think she's just a common garden pain in the arse.

Re the pronunciations, I agree that most of these mispronunciations are due to the reading of words and not an indicator of low intelligence.

But in her case, I'm afraid it did tip me off as to her level of intelligence. She's supposedly a lawyer, who should be familiar with words with Latin roots and their pronunciation. If she'd been working as a lawyer for the past 30 years, she'd have come across this word being spoken.

Of course she’s lying. Focusing on what she’s saying (However entertaining it might be to you) isn’t relevant really. Piers Morgan is parading a person with a serious personality disorder around in public to humiliate them. What would help right now is a psychiatrist.

I thought that. I bet she'd pass a lie detector test because she doesn't believe that she is lying.

Agreed, and Netflix should never have billed it as a true story if this amount of fabrication has knowingly gone on.