To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

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Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

@Changingplace blimey that does now put him in a pretty poor light. Emotionally true smacks a bit of alternative facts.

😁 If I had an ounce of writing talent, I’d be knocking out Emotionally True series by the dozen.

I do think that RD is himself a damaged and slightly vulnerable person. This is all on Netflix. I hope there is some kind of accountability for them. Not because I think FH’s actions (whatever they were) were defensible, but because it’s a huge violation of broadcasting ethics.

Yes, presumably with Fargo it was just "poetic licence" since no real characters were involved. A bit different in this case.

I'm only halfway through watching the series, and so far it's interesting that you could view the whole thing as a comedy of errors about people struggling with their identity – including "Donny" who poses as a builder, and his partner who reverses gender.

In real life, Baby Reindeer started as one-man fringe theatre and was therefore fairly low-key. I wonder how much RG lost control of things once Netflix got their claws into it. They'd obviously want to exploit sensational value for maximum profit.

It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out, primarily as a case of business ethics.

Personally, it's given me extra pause for thought because I'm writing a book describing my abusive first marriage and how I gradually got myself out of it. I've often wondered if it's fair to share my side of a story that involves someone who might not have been 100% mentally well, and now I really doubt it.

Ah I see the profile now. Why not post the comment? The profile is public and everyone knows you can't really remove anything anymore. It's all so fascinating and yes we're all a bit uncomfortable with our fascination but it's human nature.

The rapist should be in prison for a long time. It is not for me to pass comment on why RG has not reported it. Even if the public do correctly identified him (and I believe internet sleuths are trying!) it would be impossible to charge him. FH identified herself and spoke out. Out of all the platforms, I have no idea why she’s choose Piers Morgan who is exploitative and a disgrace. Nobody comes out of this well.

Morgan was probably the only one unethical enough to do it.

Has anyone watched the follow up to the PM interview?

The people talking some seemed to think that Fiona Harvey would face a legal case for defamation if some of the stuff in baby reindeer is proved to not be true. Such as the jail sentence and sexual assault.

It's all fascinating. I do believe that she stalked him but it does seem unfair to her that people now believe she violently and sexually assaulted him and others if she didn't.

To be fair.

If she did her own YouTube video and had a friend interviewing her -we'd all watch that anyway.

So better it's done "professionally" for us viewers.

Do you mean have a legal case for defamation? Not face one?

Because remember that the flip side of this is that she is saying that he fabricated 41,000 emails and is psychotic. So she’s also defaming him.

I am not sure. He's batshit too.

What a horrendous thing to do to a vulnerable woman.. he knew she'd be outed. What about the alleged rapist.
There is something very off about both of them..

Hes also a covert narcissist...

Hasn't the alleged rapist been incorrectly identified, according to Osman the real culprit has been known about for years. The whole netflix saga has put lots of people at real risk of harm, they should be held accountable and ashamed.

I wonder if the alleged rapist is dead so that's why he isn't being outed.

@Unopenedpackofmenssocks yes sorry bad typo.

The people on the show were saying that Fiona Harvey would have a clear case for defamation.

I think if he was dead, he would have ben identified.

He's being protected cos he's alive and influential and not an easily exploited disordered woman.

Yes that's true.

I doubt she will take it to court anyway, but who knows.

@SunnyUpland, comment, as requested

In the adaptation from stage to TV, RD has really been done over by the Executive Producers on the series.

The team behind the series (Clerkenwell Films) are hugely experienced, with a raft of award winning series for Netflix and British tv channels.

If Clerkenwell Films was young company and this was one of their first big commissions, then it’s possible they didnt have the clout to push back if it had been the Netflix commissioners who wanted to up the suspense.

But given the Exec Producers are so experienced you can assume they led the decision to make such an unethical re-write.

Incidentally, on Companies House, the BBC are listed as one of the Directors of Clerkenwell Films. No way Baby Reindeer would have got through BBC compliance.

And Netflix isn’t regulated by Ofcom, another structural problem that needs to be addressed.

He has every right to tell his story.
She has every right to defend herself.

All of the stuff is able to be verified or not so I don't see what the problem is? Just provide the evidence and be done with it.

Surely the only thing she needs to do is to get the police to (not) find the emails, calls, messages, witness statements etc and be done with it.

I think it would be very hard to sue for defamation.

How do you argue that the character so closely resembled you that you were identifiable, whilst complaining that some elements were untrue? Yes, the parts put in to differentiate the character from the real person.

Yes Fiona is a fat, Scottish law graduate.

No she did not serve time in prison or physically assault a woman.

If Gadd can produce the emails then that would also blow a hole in her case. As he used to display them and play audio in his stage show it seems likely that he has.

Also, how many lawyers would want her case? I think she'd be hard to work with.

I did law at Aberdeen a couple of years earlier than her. Most of us did a three year Ordinary degree, because in order to become a solicitor you also had to do a one year postgraduate Diploma in Legal Practice. So four years at University. In my year (I went back and checked) 57 of us graduated with an ordinary degree and 35 with an honours. Some of those who did honours weren't planning to become solicitors e.g. they did the four years honours then did chartered accountancy training.

I did an ordinary, then my DLP, then my two year legal traineeship and became a solicitor.

It was definitely not a "lesser" thing, it was what most of my year did.

And Netflix certainly sounded confident of the facts when they were interviewed by a select committee. They referred to her as a 'convicted stalker' so it seems likely that she is. I imagine the bar must be quite high to secure a conviction.