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To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

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Eshmee · 09/05/2024 21:20

Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

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NonPlayerCharacter · 10/05/2024 16:43

I got about 15 minutes in and I can't bear watching any more.

Babybreath · 10/05/2024 16:49

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 16:19

That's interesting, what sorts of mannerisms and body language did you find deceitful?

I'm obviously not a body language expert but closing her eyes when speaking, drinking water , rapid blinking and eye movements and some of the things she said that contradicted herself. When she was watching the court scene her eyes moved as if she was trying to remember this.
Just her whole demeanour really.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 10/05/2024 17:02

This is never going to court.

Firstly it would cost many thousands.

She could do it herself as a "lawyer" but she has already said she wont.
Her "boyfriend" also a "lawyer" could do it but she ruled him out too

No real lawyer is going to take that on a no win, no fee basis unless they are confident of a better than 50% chance of winning. So that rules all real lawyers out.

Saying you are going to sue and actually suing are not the same things.

This is never going to court.

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 10/05/2024 17:02

NonPlayerCharacter · 10/05/2024 16:43

I got about 15 minutes in and I can't bear watching any more.

I thought it was pretty boring to be honest. Just her denial of everything. Predictable.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 10/05/2024 17:05

JeepSleeHack · 09/05/2024 23:34

Im not watching cause fuck Piers. No one is trying to hold the grooming rapist tv producer to account, just the mentally unwell woman.

Netflix really fucked with this series. I’m cancelling subscription. Done with them. And trust Piers to get his rocks off by exploiting this.

I've not yet watched the show and haven't seen the interview but from what I'm reading I think I'd agree with you on this.

PM is a nasty barrel scraping excuse for a journo and is no doubt loving all the attention this is generating.

And yes ... predatory abuser man continues to live his life as normal but let's all judge the clearly unwell woman Confused

TraitorsGate · 10/05/2024 17:06

Who identified her as being the stalker or did she put herself forward.or is that all ,ies and part of a delusion. The court case and sentence is easy to prove and her emails and calls. Is there proof anything was sent from her ip address or phones. I don't understand why there's not more said about the producer who raped him, I find the whole thing uncomfortable and not really sure who or what I believe.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 10/05/2024 17:11

TraitorsGate · 10/05/2024 17:06

Who identified her as being the stalker or did she put herself forward.or is that all ,ies and part of a delusion. The court case and sentence is easy to prove and her emails and calls. Is there proof anything was sent from her ip address or phones. I don't understand why there's not more said about the producer who raped him, I find the whole thing uncomfortable and not really sure who or what I believe.

Anyone with google could identify her very quickly as she has a great many posts about Gadd over many years on her facebook account.

Initially the media did not name her but then she herself gave permission to the newspapers to identify her.

Portakalkedi · 10/05/2024 17:12

I haven't seen it but from the above headlines, I'm not sure Piers Morgan drags people by force to be interviewed, isn't it done for money?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/05/2024 17:15

ImWearingPantaloons · 10/05/2024 16:36

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel really?
How on earth do they pass essays and reports when it's barely readable?

The academics work very hard at extracting meaning from it and looking for aspects they can award marks for, eg something could be illiterate but you can still work out roughly what the argument is meant to be, or that the student has done some research for the essay. All the pressure is to find things you can pass them for because it doesn’t look good to have a lot of them fail, so people get through who probably don’t have the literacy skills to do a job actually involving the degree subject.

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 17:35

Piers Morgan's interview has had 5,073,449 views in the first 21 hours. This is amazing. Does anyone know of other 'spectacles' with this sort of engagement?

Let's be honest, apart form the whole thing being super exploitative and unethical FH does have a point. She is the star of the show, both in the actual Netflix series as well as in PM's interview. Why should she not get a cut of this bonkers media extravaganza? It's not RG or his story that is attracting this sort of crazy world-wide attention, it's absolutely her, her persona is selling this and making some people mega $$$.

Combattingthemoaners · 10/05/2024 17:36

RazzlePuff · 10/05/2024 16:37

There’s an ethical question with NOT allowing Fiona speak.
If “we” decide she has MH issues, and “we” decide, for her own good, that she cannot appear in media. We are denying her freedom of speech, it’s disability discrimination. She is free to make mistakes & Eff-up her life.

she is not free to behave however she likes, and then get privacy / no consequences

Yes it is fine to give people a voice who are able to provide consent and understand the implications of their decisions. She lives in such a fantasy world she is not able to see this. She clearly does have mental health issues, it doesn’t take an armchair detective to point out the blindingly obvious. It isn’t disability discrimination to protect someone who is being thrown into the public gaze and unable to navigate properly.

She faced consequences when she was taken to court.

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 17:48

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 17:35

Piers Morgan's interview has had 5,073,449 views in the first 21 hours. This is amazing. Does anyone know of other 'spectacles' with this sort of engagement?

Let's be honest, apart form the whole thing being super exploitative and unethical FH does have a point. She is the star of the show, both in the actual Netflix series as well as in PM's interview. Why should she not get a cut of this bonkers media extravaganza? It's not RG or his story that is attracting this sort of crazy world-wide attention, it's absolutely her, her persona is selling this and making some people mega $$$.

Edited

I suppose she must have been paid handsomely for the interview?

Babybreath · 10/05/2024 17:51

I wonder if any of her friends or boyfriends will come forward to defend her.

Ijussthadanegg · 10/05/2024 17:59

lemonmeringueno3 · 10/05/2024 06:37

If she barely knows Gadd, has only met him 5-6 times, didn't send him all those emails and letters, wasn't obsessed with him, never went to his shows - why does she think it's about her? Why are her 'friends' telling her it's about her? It must be about someone else surely.

I mean, come on. Her grandiose personality meant she thought this interview would vindicate her and launch her into a tv career or something. Instead, she accidentally gave full credence to Gadd's story.

Well said

Anonymous2025 · 10/05/2024 18:00

Babybreath · 10/05/2024 17:51

I wonder if any of her friends or boyfriends will come forward to defend her.

I wonder if they even know there are her friends or boyfriend

Chaoseverywhere · 10/05/2024 18:17

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 15:26

I agree it's disgraceful to wheel her out as entertainment. She has become the victim now and the writer is abusing his position in order to bully Fiona and he looks like he's enjoying it, too.

I imagine that he has been playing a merry game with her from the start. I believe she is a stalker but he has manipulated her too. He does say this in his unfortunately Netflix show, coming across all reflective and sincere but he has used her and continues to use and exploit her vulnerabilities.

I also wonder if the actress who played Fiona was manipulated and not told the truth, I would have thought she must feel very conflicted about it all.

Edited

That’s a really interesting point about the actor. I wonder how she feels about it now having heard the PM interview.

although I’m still inclined to towards the theory that this is all a clever social experiment.

LillianGish · 10/05/2024 18:21

What struck me most watching the PM interview was that Gadd claimed to have changed details to make Martha unrecognisable, but Fiona Harvey couldn't have been more recognisable. Fiona looks like Martha, sounds like Martha, has a legal background like Martha and, like Martha, has previous for stalking. Gadd clearly wanted to out her - anyone who has ever encountered her either at work or at university would have immediately recognised her and the most cursory internet search would have found her as PM pointed out. I think that might have been fair enough if Gadd had stuck to the facts of what happened (which would have been bad enough), but including scenes like the assault on his trans girlfriend was a step too far. PM appeared to be gently trying to steer Fiona in this direction by reminding her that voicemails and emails either existed or they didn't so she should perhaps focus on discussing stuff she could prove definitely didn't take place. Unfortunately Fiona seemed incapable of taking the hint and thus ended up digging herself into a bigger and bigger hole.

lemonmeringueno3 · 10/05/2024 18:27

I don't care that she has a personality disorder or whatever her working diagnosis is. It doesn't absolve you of consequences when you set out to ruin lives.

We wouldn't be so protective if she was a male stalker, or saying she deserves a cut, or that the victim is lying, or any of the other nonsense on this thread.

Working on the assumption that the central premise of Gadd's story is true, and that he wouldn't be daft or cruel enough to make it up, then it's hard to feel any sympathy for her. I imagine quite satisfying to see the tables turned on her now actually. At least she was portrayed with some sympathy, as ill rather than evil.

Blue83 · 10/05/2024 18:27

She said she’s met him 2/3 times at the beginning then said met them 4/6 times.
i think PM went light on her, she lost her phone, he knew she has mental health I think that’s why he didn’t dig her out, I’ve been stalked it’s absolutely scary and you don’t know what they are capable of so to the last reader, man or woman we should all be protected and Richard/Don admitted he has mental health especially after his abuse, anyway it will all come out

80schildhood · 10/05/2024 18:46

lemonmeringueno3 · 10/05/2024 18:27

I don't care that she has a personality disorder or whatever her working diagnosis is. It doesn't absolve you of consequences when you set out to ruin lives.

We wouldn't be so protective if she was a male stalker, or saying she deserves a cut, or that the victim is lying, or any of the other nonsense on this thread.

Working on the assumption that the central premise of Gadd's story is true, and that he wouldn't be daft or cruel enough to make it up, then it's hard to feel any sympathy for her. I imagine quite satisfying to see the tables turned on her now actually. At least she was portrayed with some sympathy, as ill rather than evil.

He has already admitted to making key parts of the story up including her criminal charges, jail time and the assault on his romantic interest. So if she did send him many, many emails and messages (stalking) does she not deserve any sympathy for the fact that he didn't just expose this but then embellished her behaviour.

tiredandabitfat · 10/05/2024 18:55

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 17:35

Piers Morgan's interview has had 5,073,449 views in the first 21 hours. This is amazing. Does anyone know of other 'spectacles' with this sort of engagement?

Let's be honest, apart form the whole thing being super exploitative and unethical FH does have a point. She is the star of the show, both in the actual Netflix series as well as in PM's interview. Why should she not get a cut of this bonkers media extravaganza? It's not RG or his story that is attracting this sort of crazy world-wide attention, it's absolutely her, her persona is selling this and making some people mega $$$.

Edited

Well, because she's a stalker?

What if Jeffrey Dahmer was still alive? Should he be getting a cut from Netflix?

If you act atrociously, you aren't guaranteed anonymity.

80schildhood · 10/05/2024 18:58

tiredandabitfat · 10/05/2024 18:55

Well, because she's a stalker?

What if Jeffrey Dahmer was still alive? Should he be getting a cut from Netflix?

If you act atrociously, you aren't guaranteed anonymity.

He probably would have a Netflix special tbf

category12 · 10/05/2024 19:16

80schildhood · 10/05/2024 18:46

He has already admitted to making key parts of the story up including her criminal charges, jail time and the assault on his romantic interest. So if she did send him many, many emails and messages (stalking) does she not deserve any sympathy for the fact that he didn't just expose this but then embellished her behaviour.

Yeah, it's worrying that there's been this blurring of what she actually did - obviously her stalking is unacceptable and frightening on its own - but violence and sexual assault take it up a notch. And we don't know whether that was fact or "emotionally true".

She is potentially in danger of reprisals.

This whole thing is fucked up.

NotThatWrong · 10/05/2024 19:31

This whole thing is fucked up.

Reminds me of dogfighting, with a global audience. Hideous.

Babybreath · 10/05/2024 19:38

Are there any lawyers on here ? Would you take on her lawsuit?