To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

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Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

You would need a Judge to decide she doesn’t have “mental capacity”, or get her Sectioned. Good luck helping her with that!!!

But why didn't she just say you just get a pass or a fail? He was pushing her because she wasn't answering the question she just kept saying it wasn't a great mark

I didn’t watch it. I am deeply uncomfortable with this whole situation. PM is an unethical shithead and he has got exactly what he wants out of this - everyone talking and debating about it. He’s sitting there now, watching the cash and fame roll in. Ultimately there is a deeply vulnerable human being at the other end of this. She clearly had a serious, persistent, mental health condition and PM has thrown her to the wolves without any appreciation of what might happen to her now. This is the man who oversaw the hacking of a dead 13 year olds phone. He does not deserve our attention or our money.

This will have a massive negative impact on her life. She will be like a circus freak and it’s unlikely she has the mental or financial resources to cope with it (I know she got £250k but that’s nowhere near enough to not need a job, or cope with the loss of privacy). Universities have ethics review panels to prevent something like this happening, and TV companies should be compelled to have them too. This was prurient, unnecessary, and will have done great harm to her and her family/friends.

How has she £250k?

@NotThatWrong Did she get 250k or £250?

Yeah, it's worrying that there's been this blurring of what she actually did - obviously her stalking is unacceptable and frightening on its own - but violence and sexual assault take it up a notch. And we don't know whether that was fact or "emotionally true".

She is potentially in danger of reprisals.

This whole thing is fucked up.

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Wow, so he made those details up? That's really not on. Wow.

Don't worry rishi sunak will soon have her working and she will have a whole new set of people to stalk

We don't know what's true and what isn't.

That puzzled me too. And she isn’t on the Law Society of Scotland’s list of lawyers licensed to practise in Scotland.

For such a serios subject netflix should not have allowed any false or exaggerated scenes, it should have been factual and not advertised as a true story, all the allegations should have been researched and proven first. If the story needed telling, which it didnt, it could have been via a mainstream documentary. The whole thing is a total fuck up with no one coming out covered in glory. It's turned into a sensationalist money maker.

I watched it today. Admittedly I haven't watched the netflix series, however, she cMe across as someone with mental health issues. I don't think she should have been asked to do an interview.

I also think if there are exaggerated scenes and some made up for dramatic effect them it should at least pop up with one of those messages saying so.

They also should have made it harder to find the real person... he said he did but really didn't

Watching it now. She is very clearly not telling the truth.

The thing I don't understand is what her position is - she claims the things he says in Baby Reindeer aren't true, but also that she believes it's based on her.

If she hadn't done any of those things, why would she think it was based on her.

Chilling:

'Early in the series, Donny discovers that Martha has been sent to prison after she accused a former employer and the employer's husband of abusing their deaf child. Over two decades ago, Scots lawyer Laura Wray took legal action over allegations of a similar nature Ms Harvey made against Laura and her husband, the late Labour MP Jimmy Wray.

Ms Wray says Ms Fiona Harvey falsely accused her and her husband of assaulting their three-year-old son who was born with a rare chromosomal disorder. She said: "We took an interim interdict. I don't think she responded and I don't think there was a full hearing after because it did the trick in stopping her coming near me. It was a long time ago and I haven't heard from her since. I've watched the Netflix show now and it's quite uncanny, put it that way."

Our fury should be directed at Netflix. They say they changers the details to help protect her anonymity, but the stuff it changed seems to be hugely exaggerating negative stuff about her. In the series, it claimed she had served time for prior offences and received a custodial sentence for stalking Richard - neither of these things are true

How can they claim it was ‘A True Story’ as per opening titles, and yet it be such bullshit.

It was no doubt a horrible experience for Richard, but it’s nothing compared to what happens to many women every day, too many of whom end up injured or dead.

And the focus on Fiona rather than the TV producer is just sickening. That man groomed and repeatedly assaulted Richard, yet his privilege protects him.

Netflix shame on you.

Just read that a DM journalist interviewed her and she's bombarded him with phone calls .

At least Jeremy Kyle show knew what it was. This is sneaky, insidious bullshit. Trussed up like powerful drama.

And cancelled.

I don't know about now, but in the 1980s, most of those of us at Aberdeen University did an Ordinary degree and then the Diploma in Legal Practice. She'd only be a solicitor if she then completed the two year traineeship. The year I graduated, there were 57 Ordinary graduates and 35 Honours graduates. (I looked it up today.)

The Law Society did a survey a few years ago and found that more than half of the women who qualified as solicitors in the 1980s were no longer solicitors thirty years later. The drop-out rate was far higher amongst woman (duh!) than men. So even if her life had gone well, the odds are that she wouldn't still be on the Roll of Solicitors in Scotland.

I'm a couple of years older and my year at Aberdeen was the first year with an equal male / female intake into the law degree. There was still an "Old Boys Network" which didn't make anything easier for women going into the profession.

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I've only read up to page 9 atm, but has anybody on here ever been on the receiving end of somebody like Martha/Fiona? I have. My exes mum.

She made dozens of fake Facebook accounts to message me abuse, posting pictures of my flat from the road side saying how she can't wait to get hold of me.

She used to follow me in her car and shout abuse out of the window. She posted letters to my neighbours telling them I was hacking their WiFi and all sorts of rubbish.

She managed to get hold of intimate pictures of me, from her son (?!) and made accounts in my name with those pictures on display, adding people from all over the town.

She contacted everybody she could find online who knew me in any capacity whatsoever and sent them messages telling them I'm a prostitute.

I went to the police and they did absolutely nothing and in hindsight I feel that was because she was a lot more credible on paper than I was.

I was 19, a care kid, no money, living in a shared house in a shit area. She was 50 and fancied herself as middle class, married with a detached house and a decent car in the drive. University educated. Money to waste on trumped up cease and desist letters she had a solicitor send to me after instructing them to write to me and demand I leave her alone (I never did a thing to her, it was purely retaliation for me reporting her to the police).

The things I reported her to the police for didn't tally up with the version of her that the police got, because surely somebody doing all of that to a teenage girl had to be seriously mentally ill right?

Except this woman wasn't seriously mentally ill, so the whole thing looked absolutely bonkers and as though I must be making it up.

She was just an incredibly nasty woman with too much time on her hands and that is what I'm seeing in that Fiona. They are cut from the same cloth. It actually triggered me a bit watching the PM interview because they are so alike.

It might seem incomprehensible to some people but perfectly sane people can and do behave like that. Some people are just bastards.

Personality disordered at best. The personality is the problem. Not vulnerable, weak or defenceless. Just nasty pieces of work.

FH may well be mentally unwell and vulnerable. She has a right to be on television like any other person. That said, I despite the exploitative odious little PM so I couldn’t bear to watch.
I watched Baby Reindeer though.

@AbsolutelyGutted1 that sounds awful. I’m so sorry it happened to you.

Im not an apologist for Fiona’s behaviour. Even if 10% of the story was true, her behaviour was truly terrible.

My concern is that the series explicitly said it was a true story when so many elements weren’t. And those elements were all key to the story and hugely defamatory - most notably the back story about prior prison time and the custodial sentence she received for stalking RD.

My issue is with Netflix. Their compliance department should have been aware how easy it was to find out her identity, and with that in mind, they should not have falsely exaggerated crucial plot details.

Again, what happened to you was awful and I’m so sorry. I don’t want my posts to in any way minimise what happened to you or others in your situation.

One of the most successful people at a worldwide level, also one of the most highly educated people I know, doesn't know how to pronounce hyperbole. In fact, I taught them. It's not the only word my friend gets wrong either.

Possibly someone has, but aye, an ordinary degree is 3 years, 4 years is honours. For law you need all 4 + the rest.