To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

[Eshmee]

Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

Just watched it. I don't know what it signifies, but the emphatic nodding and humming reminds me of someone I once knew who was very manipulative and aggressive. (Does anyone know what this is a symptom of?)

And talk about DARVO! - she never stops.

You are right, they have been completely disingenuous.
I assumed when watching it that the real Martha wasn’t Scottish, claimed to be something other than a lawyer, because those are really obvious things they could have changed to make her harder to identify.
With hindsight the line about her not recognising herself reads like a dig about her level of delusion.

What did they change about her exactly? It just seems like a joke that he said he changed as much as he could about her but he changed nothing, not the accent not the fact she says shes a lawyer, not the pub, the name of the show is literally a name she gave him.

I noticed it too. I think it was for the viewers benefit. Like she was trying to make herself appear credible by considering everything that was put to her and then rebutting it.

@tiredandabitfat

Was she working back then? How did she support herself?

No she never worked. She just walked the streets endlessly. She was on benefits.

Because she sounds entirely incapable of holding down a job

I can't imagine how she could possibly work.

Yes, she strikes me as putting on an absolutely pantomime of how she thinks a level-headed person would behave and react when confronted unfairly with various accusations. It's like watching someone pretending it wasn't them who just farted in the lift.

Probably. But the thing is that I reckon if she is supposed be a stalker this will give her all the attention she craves and more. I don't think this ends well for anybody involved and doesn't reflect well on anyone involved with the TV series. There is a good reason you don't do stuff like this for entertainment. This is just one reason.

Richard Gadd should have thought more carefully on it. I do wonder what his motivation was though.

She is so unwell, and Piers Morgan is just a shark. She might be unpleasant, but she’s also vulnerable and to take advantage of her so blatantly is uncomfortable to see.

Bloody hell.

It's as I suspected, but it's just so tragic.

Imagine going through school, getting to uni, obtaining a law degree....and then that.

Something obviously went horribly wrong somewhere.

She wasn't jailed though. At any time. There's no evidence of this anywhere.

It's a tough one. Is she vulnerable? She's very mentally unwell, so I suppose she is vulnerable.

But is she also incredibly dangerous? Yes.

She has caused an awful lot of harm to others.

I do agree that the Piers Morgan interview was in bad taste, and I do feel she is being exploited (especially if it's true that she only received £250 payment), but I must confess I did watch it.

@ChickyBricky I agree.

Also, when PM asked if she fancied RG and she said "no, I don't fancy little boys. Little boys with no jobs."

Then she chuckled and kind of waved her comment away and said "Ohno, I don't mean to be unkind, but, y'know...." like she was being all magnanimous and didn't want to come across as the big shot lawyer belittling someone who doesn't have a job.

Whereas in actual fact she is not a lawyer and has never worked.

Just farcical.

Who does she think she's kidding?

It's like she thinks everyone is so stupid that they will all just believe her lies, no matter how outlandish.

I haven't seen Baby Reindeer, nor the interview, but this is appearing on my social media today, because of the "law degree at Aberdeen" aspect.

I did law at Aberdeen in the 1980s; I'd have been a year or two ahead of her.

To become a solicitor required a law degree, either a three year ordinary, or a four year Honours, followed by a post-grad year - The Diploma in Legal Practice, and then you had to find employment to do the two year legal traineeship.

I did an ordinary degree. I'd estimate that 70-80% of my year did an ordinary degree. The ordinary plus the Diploma was four years at university, and very few people wanted to make that five years if it wasn't necessary. Some of those who did Honours did so because they didn't want a career in law, weren't going to do the one year Diploma, but were using the law degree as an entry into a different career e.g. chartered accountancy training.

An ordinary degree in law, coupled with the post-grad year, wasn't a lesser degree; it was the normal route into a career in law. Most solicitors of my generation graduating from Aberdeen had an ordinary degree.

Needless to say it's trending on Twitter/X and the memes and jokes are very cruel. Horrible, unethical exploitation of a mentally fragile person. She is a troubled and troubling person. I watched it which of course contributes to the viewing figures and I am posting on here about it so I have been sucked into the drama so can't claim to occupy the moral highground.

So the story is true, but

she has never been to prison

she didn’t attack his girlfriend (transwoman)

she didn’t smash up the pub

What else is not true (even though it’s supposed to be true)?

Why are we discussing her, when it turns out that some of his problems with her (and not being able to let go) were down to his rape by another man?

He's already had an award winning stage play based on this.

She might be mentally ill, but the writer is doing very well out of it all, ut she is now being hounded and no one’s talking about the rapist. Or the police’s ability to deal with stalkers.

But she wasn’t in court. Gadd says that was made up b

So sorry. I responded to your post by mistake. Was meant for another poster.

@tiredandabitfat She does actually remind me of a couple of people I've met in the past. One in particular was a complete fantasist, a proper Walter Mitty character who pretended to have done all kinds of jobs and talked readily about his experiences in them. It was fascinating and sad. I got the impression he memorised whatever he happened to hear other people say about their own lives, mentally storing it away for future use, when he would convincingly mimic it all as though describing his own life.

She's just like that when she fluffs around Piers' questions about her grades for the law degree and says of fellow students, "Some of them remember me; one of them did incredibly well, he's a High Court judge."

It's heartbreaking that this kind of mimicry is the closest some people can get to engaging successfully with the world around them. I mean we've all bullshitted at some point, especially as kids, to make ourselves fit in, or to impress, but this takes it to another level and becomes a whole identity.

The way she pronounced hyperbole sums her up.

Yes, that too! You'd think if you were going to rely so heavily on a word, you'd know how to say it.

I think it's cruel. Like the modern equivalent of a freak show. She obviously very unwell and if she's got delusional disorder there isn't really any treatment. She didn't have the capacity to agree to the interview. She will feel worse after this. I do think she's dangerous but she should have been left alone. This is a new low for PM.

I don't like that Gadd bloke either. He encouraged her and then exploited it. He must have known the show would trigger this mess.

And what about the bloke rapist? He gets let off because he's a man, with money and position?

I've just dug out the newspaper that had my graduation in it, on the off chance she graduated with her ordinary the year I graduated with my Diploma. (I think she would have been two years behind me rather than one, but thought it was worth a look.)

That year there were 35 students graduating with an Honours degree in law, and 57 graduating with an Ordinary degree in law. Getting an ordinary degree was very usual.

Just watched it. Hmm I really wanted to believe her and hope the Netflix programme was all lies but she just kept going off on tangents on the important questions. This was her chance to get her side across.

I'm thinking that your man who made this mixed truth with fiction and some exaggeration and just told everyone it was true, which has obviously ruined her life.

I would assume Netflix will have checked out all these details before release there's no way they'd agree to report this as truth and not have their legal team scrutinise every detail.

So much can be proven as Piers said himself, although I was surprised that she said she didn't want Gadd to produce the emails or to take a lie detector 🤔

But things have already been proven to be false 🤷‍♀️

She loves bbc breaking news 😂 she must have said it about 6 times in the interview and i am only half way through