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Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

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SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:49

@PrincessTeaSet It was racism.
But I am used to white people saying racism was not really racism.

whoamI00 · 09/05/2024 14:50

Harry seemed to be ok before he moved to the USA. I'm not sure if he is happy or is hurt but I don't think his dad is the cause of his unhappiness if he ever feels like that.

cointos · 09/05/2024 14:50

If anyone else described their adult brother or son behaving the way Harry is, we'd all be telling them to go NC. Children have gone through far worse than him and excelled in life. I think his life of luxury gave him too much free time to stew on every perceived little slight and he's just become more and more angry. He an adult with the mind of a spoiled child.

StarsHideYourFir3s · 09/05/2024 14:51

I think he's a nasty person. The affair(s), the way his sons have turned out (Harry appears to have gotten therapy which they all need imo), his random little outbursts of petulant temper - he's toxic. I think most of them are.

CurlewKate · 09/05/2024 14:52

So Charles married an inexperienced woman 12 years younger than him while maintaining a long term affair he had no intention of ending. And he's the victim?

StarsHideYourFir3s · 09/05/2024 14:52

cointos · 09/05/2024 14:50

If anyone else described their adult brother or son behaving the way Harry is, we'd all be telling them to go NC. Children have gone through far worse than him and excelled in life. I think his life of luxury gave him too much free time to stew on every perceived little slight and he's just become more and more angry. He an adult with the mind of a spoiled child.

If your son married a mixed-race woman and your family sanctioned racist commentary on her, and asked what colour the baby would be (which is fucking disgusting, as a mixed race person - we're not a colour chart) and he went NC - would you blame him??

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 14:53

CurlewKate · 09/05/2024 14:27

@Rosebel "feel really sorry for Charles. Let's not forget that Diana actually cheated on Charles first"

That's not actually how it happened- Charles never ended his relationship with Camilla.

This.

It’s a toxic family, monarchies always are. They have always contained fall outs and rivalries and factionalism, civil wars.

The British public seem dying to cling onto them though.

StarsHideYourFir3s · 09/05/2024 14:55

whoamI00 · 09/05/2024 14:50

Harry seemed to be ok before he moved to the USA. I'm not sure if he is happy or is hurt but I don't think his dad is the cause of his unhappiness if he ever feels like that.

Harry was shutting up and playing the media game. Then he met someone he loved and who showed him a different world (for better or worse, depends on which side you fall) and he realised the situation he was in was damaging for him. He got his wife and kid out.

He was privy to more than we know, too - who knows how he was treated. You can see the "happy trio" photo ops where he's treated like a third wheel with Kate grinning like an idiot at him, and presumably he didn't want to be spending life accompanying two grown adults around doing phony meet and greets. He at least seems to want to work properly with charities, whereas the royals have minimal impact.

AnnieSF · 09/05/2024 14:55

Mooda · 09/05/2024 14:39

I don't get this 'Harry trashed his family' line. I thought the relationship between Charles and Harry was portrayed pretty positively in Spare. Tbh I didn't think Spare was a hatchet job full stop, there was a lot of warmth in it. Just me?

Because you knew the family intimately ? You were there? Or you read a book written by one person ?

mathanxiety · 09/05/2024 14:55

@Eieiom
Agree.
I see Charles as an individual who was terribly damaged by the upbringing he was subjected to.

Fizzib · 09/05/2024 14:55

Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

SwingTheMonkey · 09/05/2024 14:56

wordler · 09/05/2024 14:24

Charles doesn’t get to act simply as a father now he is a head of state - his decisions and actions have to be balanced across personal wants and government needs.

Harry is about to go to Nigeria and be feted by the Nigerian military (who want the chance to host Invictus) - there’s a lot of problematic political issues with the Nigerian miliatary/government - with a lot of nuance for relationships between Nigeria and the UK.

Harry having a very publicized ‘private’ meeting with the UK head of state right before he goes to Nigeria on what looks like a pseudo royal tour is potentially problematic for Charles as head of state because who knows what Harry would claim to have been said by Charles etc.

This is exactly why the late Queen said the half in half out would not work.

I would say this is exactly the reason KC wasn’t available to meet Harry this week.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:56

So Charles is never going to meet Harry again? He has gone no contact with one of his sons?

Fizzib · 09/05/2024 14:57

StarsHideYourFir3s · 09/05/2024 14:52

If your son married a mixed-race woman and your family sanctioned racist commentary on her, and asked what colour the baby would be (which is fucking disgusting, as a mixed race person - we're not a colour chart) and he went NC - would you blame him??

Exactly if anyone should be going NC it’s Harry. His family are vile.

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 14:57

StarsHideYourFir3s · 09/05/2024 14:52

If your son married a mixed-race woman and your family sanctioned racist commentary on her, and asked what colour the baby would be (which is fucking disgusting, as a mixed race person - we're not a colour chart) and he went NC - would you blame him??

We’d tell them to get over to the stately home thread, but in this case they lived in’em.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 14:57

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 09/05/2024 11:19

From Harry's autobiography it did seem like they weren't a priority for example they got sent away with staff for holidays

Well there were photos of them on holiday with both parents. I'd take anything twisted Harry says with a massive pinch of salt!

whoamI00 · 09/05/2024 14:58

StarsHideYourFir3s · 09/05/2024 14:55

Harry was shutting up and playing the media game. Then he met someone he loved and who showed him a different world (for better or worse, depends on which side you fall) and he realised the situation he was in was damaging for him. He got his wife and kid out.

He was privy to more than we know, too - who knows how he was treated. You can see the "happy trio" photo ops where he's treated like a third wheel with Kate grinning like an idiot at him, and presumably he didn't want to be spending life accompanying two grown adults around doing phony meet and greets. He at least seems to want to work properly with charities, whereas the royals have minimal impact.

Are you Harry or his spokesperson. It's purely from your perspective with which I don't agree.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 14:58

Fizzib · 09/05/2024 14:57

Exactly if anyone should be going NC it’s Harry. His family are vile.

Harry's vile - what's wrong with you that you can't see that?!!

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:59

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 14:57

Well there were photos of them on holiday with both parents. I'd take anything twisted Harry says with a massive pinch of salt!

Harry was talking about after Diana died.

Hairychops77892 · 09/05/2024 15:01

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:29

You are right. Charles had a 3 hour garden party to attend. He could not possibly meet with his son for a quick coffee. What a ridiculous suggestion.

Yeah it’s not as though he has 30 full-time-equivalent staff members in the Private Secretaries Office, including an equerry and administrative staff who could quickly re-arrange a part of his schedule for him!

Oh wait ….

Didimum · 09/05/2024 15:02

Charles is absolutely a victim and a product of the institution. To think you can expect a different outcome of any child born within in (especially during a certain time period) is pretty much impossible. Any child would be.

Harry is only just beginning to break the mould (though he of course was not the first), but IMO he's still an entitled and self absorbed. Everything he and Megan do is a love letter to themselves.

ACynicalDad · 09/05/2024 15:03

I think the people responsible for the current situation are Harry and Meghan. I was all for Meghan at the wedding but I think she wanted to be a Disney Princess and the biggest thing in the Royal Family. She didn’t get that 90% of it is unglamorous and that she’d be in the supporting role. Their actions since moving to the states have been those of petulant children, not leaders of the nation. Yes he had a tough childhood but many kids do. I wish he’d never met Meghan. To come from a foreign country straight into the royal family is a tough gig for anyone, but as a royal spouse you need no ego, be like Kate or Sophie.

mathanxiety · 09/05/2024 15:03

Agree @StarsHideYourFir3s

Hairychops77892 · 09/05/2024 15:03

whoamI00 · 09/05/2024 14:58

Are you Harry or his spokesperson. It's purely from your perspective with which I don't agree.

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This thread is really good because people are being allowed to express their individual interpretations of events without getting hammered from either side! 😀👍

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 15:04

@Hairychops77892 But he is sooo busy. And William had a 40 minute engagement in the morning and had to get back for the school run. Harry just does not understand how busy they all are. How dare he think they might come to the Invictus church service or that Charles might have a coffee with him. Stupid entitled man.

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