Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

No one has made anything up.

Im sure they have told the truth but they’ve also told proven whoppers that have been very damaging, and ‘telling the truth sometimes’ doesn’t redeem that damage

In the book it was Pongo and Missus.

Perdita was a third party.

Controversial. Has an echo of another family generation we might know.

Eh? Misogyny being was it was meant that having committed adultery made it easy to argue she was an unfit mother.

Agree OP. He has had some bad experiences in life (childhood and beyond), but he doesn't do himself any favours. Neither does Harry. I have no patience for any of them tbh.

yeh, obviously he shouldn't have done the oprah interview and spare but I think that in the run up to he and meghan leaving, he tried to raise a few issues and was just shut down, concerns minimised, as had always happened in the past. I don't think Meghan is good for him, but they might not have left if there had been more concern for how they felt, more inclination to discuss their roles within the royal family. Not pandering to them but just listening. I don't think that happened.

Do we need pointing out stuff about seatbelts? Are we 6?

To be fair, I've seen a surprising number of threads on MN in which grown-arse women make it clear that they don't understand why seatbelts are important! I've seen threads where people outright admit they don't bother wearing seatbelts (and sometimes not even putting their children's seatbelts on) if they're "only going on a five-minute drive". I have a strange feeling none of them would leave a £1000 vase in the back seat unsecured, though... 🤔

now he's cutting off one of his sons.

What rubbish! He didn't send them into exile, they chose to do that themselves, they chose to have books written ostensibly by Harry that made many unfounded allegations, they chose to pose on the Winfrey show making unsubstantiated allegations. They chose to refuse to visit his clearly terminally ill grandmother when they were in the country, they have prevented their children from establishing familial relationships with their grandparents, except her mother, their aunt and uncle, and their cousins.
They haven't been cut off, they have cut themselves off.

My point is he would have had something else to argue with if it wasn’t adultery. She never stood a chance

Actually to reverse the negativity I'm going to say what I'd like to see.
Megan thriving with jams and home stuff and out gooping Gwyneth.
Harry doing more charity stuff and a Netflix outward bound Bear Grylls type show with sad/bereaved teens who need a break (including proper mental health experts). Really get the conversation going about childhood parent loss.
Kate and Charles making a good recovery physically and mentally and enjoying time with the family including Harry's.
The odd visit over of Harry with the family. Pictures of all the grandchildren together.
William hitting his stride and taking on roles he's passionate about.
All kids happy and healthy.

That would be nice, although I respect Harry and Meghan’s efforts to keep their children hidden and I think for Archie at the age of 5 to go from unknown face to famous prince would be a hard transition

Difference is (a) Charles didn't write a whole book and (b) he was most likely telling the truth!

Well stop doing it then!

I hear you x

Perhaps there is a wider point
The RF don’t work / live in isolation
They are surrounded by the men in grey suits ( as described by Diana) they have vested interests and hold with tradition and what should be
We should question the advice around the family and how things are dictated by the expectations of these people who probably haven’t evolved since Victorian days - or think Lord Melchet in Blackadder

I can understand that Charles and the rest of them don’t want to have anything to do with a grown man who doesn’t seem to have any visible employment and is monetising his family name and also withholding his children from having a relationship with both sides of the family
H and M seem to have a knack of falling out with everyone - they are the common denominator

I really don’t know the ins and outs of the Royal structure but I feel like actual senior royals have a lot of autonomy and they get professional advice from palace aides, as opposed to being told what to do

Lord Melchet - gosh that’s a blast from the past!

I can’t imagine his family wanting to have anything to do with him after the awful book. Not an ounce of sympathy for him. He’s a grown man and he can’t blame his parents bad marriage for his issues. He’s rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams by virtue of birth, not work. My sympathy is for those fighting cancer.

codswallop - like father like son. Let's not forget one is the head of Church of England and doesn't seem to have the morals expected of a Christian. They should give that role to a more deserving individual

Head of the Church of England as put in place by Henry the VIII.

Edward VIII abdicated in 1936. Charles got engaged to Diana in 1981, 45 years later. Not exactly 'fresh' in the Queen's mind.

I think it's safe to say that Charles chose royalty over love, not to save his poor mother's feelings so 'soon' after Edward VIII, but because Charles loves his world of entitlement and the trappings of royalty very, very dearly. His butter stamped with his crest, the toothpaste deployed on the royal toothbrush by his valet, etc.

He loves Camilla because she fully indulges and enables every aspect of his petulant royal character, she soaks it all up smilingly with never a murmur of dissent. Unlike that annoying teenager he married in 1981, who wasn't the doormat he'd hoped she'd be.

thats Not how the CofE works.

@RogueFemale
I think you are spot on. His grandmother and her friends promoted Diana. A teenager. I remember being horrified. She looked like a baby dressed as a 49 year old. She was not allowed to be young and carefree for very long and didn't seem to have any interests she could share with Charles. I think he didn't have it in him to be with Camilla when he had the chance. He did what he thought would please his family and kept Camilla as his mistress. It's pretty awful behaviour. Yes. Camilla helps him. She is perhaps the only one who could put up with him.

Like who? Henry VIII literally founded the Church of England!!

Isn't it Christian to forgive? Love the sinner, hate the sin? Charles seems to be a regular churchgoer!

What a load of balls!

I think Camilla is well able for Charles! I don't see her as any sort of doormat!

The abdication was absolutely on the Queen's mind!!! It was such a seismic event in terms of the monarchy! The Queen's mother believed that becoming King shortened her husband's life and blamed the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. The Duchess only died in 1986! The abdication absolutely haunted the monarchy. When Elizabeth was born, she never expected to be Queen, as she would have expected her uncle to stay on the throne and have his own heirs.

You fail to understand the sense of duty that is imbued in these people. Charles's grandmother was still alive and he was very close to her - she would have been devastated if he had eschewed the throne!!

He loves Camilla because they have lots in common. He had literally nothing in common with Diana.

I think King Charles is cold and selfish.

The Monarch is the head of the Armed Forces so, imo, he should have gone to the Invictus Service, not for Harry, but for every single veteran in that cathedral who’d been injured while serving his mother, and perhaps him. The service would have been arranged months in advance so he could have put it in his diary. By not going, or at least not sending another member of the RF, he’s sending the message that the veterans aren’t worthy. The optics are terrible.

The whole RF lark is a sham. They’re a waste of money and we don’t need them anymore. People always say “well we could end up with someone like Trump”. So what? The King doesn’t intervene now when we’ve got starving children, freezing pensioners, and disabled people being left on the scrap heap.

I think that's a load of crap.

What's your evidence of Charles being "cold and selfish"? Because on all of his engagements, it looks like the exact opposite.

That's shite about the optics! Invictus was handed over to Harry. Charles had 8000 people coming to a garden party. Was he supposed to ditch them?

I certainly don't want a Trump or even a Johnson or any of the other horrible Tories we have been subjected to over the years.

WTF do you expect the King to do about "starving children, freezing pensioners and disabled people"??? They aren't his responsibility! They are the responsibility of our fucking shite government!!!!

What about his engagement today? Is that not good enough for you?

God there are some batshit posts on this board!