Page 22 | Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:40

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 19:59

I don’t really care, she’s dead. Which she probably wouldn’t be if a 30 year old man had left her alone.

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And she definitely wouldn't be if a 42 year old man had left her alone, if you want to follow that line of argument!

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:41

Savile's actions impacted on numerous people and continue to do so to this day. Explain to me the impact of Diana's behaviour in her private life on people, and why the lopsided criticism of her while her ex-husband escapes it.

Honestly, talk about who you choose, criticise people whatever way you want. I am not the thought police. Don't be surprised though when people find it offensive and draw negative conclusions about the critic.

SpeakinginTongues · 09/05/2024 20:41

Ooof · 09/05/2024 20:32

She had family, friends and parents who allowed her to go through with it. Can’t put the blame solely on QE

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I wasn’t aware I was blaming QE?

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:41

DramaLlamaBangBang · 09/05/2024 19:56

I'm not sure why people are so desperate for Harry's visa to be refused. Why is how other countries hand out visas such a massive issue? Were people up in arms about all the druggy pop stars who have sldp been given visas? Do they want him deported from the US to come back here? His wife and children are American. I suspect that what some people would like is for Harry to come back here alone and beg forgiveness from his ' real' family- the Royals. He would be completely forgiven, despite most of the muck being thrown by him. I suspect they wouldn't care if he was separated from his children either. Because it's likely that is what would happen.

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I hope he gets his visa because (a) we have no need of him back here and (b) he has two young children whom he needs to be with.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/05/2024 20:43

Abhannmor · 09/05/2024 14:20

Charles' own childhood was pretty grim by his own account. It cascades down the generations perhaps. Although Diana was a very loving hands on mother for the time the boys had her.

Now Charles has got his own way in his domestic life , unlike his Aunt Margaret whose life was full of regrets. But she wasn't the monarch and Harry never will be. That's primogeniture though. It wasn't designed to be fair or reasonable.

Most British people will support the monarchy no matter what as per the result of your poll. It's like when some well loved character is written out of a soap opera. Oh it'll never be the same without X they cry. But not for long. How quickly Diana was forgotten.

Diana made a big show of being a hands on mother. Possibly she was a little more so than the average in her circle but she had a host of nannies. She went away for great chunks of time whilst married to Charles, duty etc. But also on personal jollies.

She was away from the boys for most of her last summer. She went away with Dodi and the boys joined her for a week. She cut the holiday short after Gianni Versace was murdered, sent them home, attended the funeral then continued to holiday with Dodi for another month until her death.

The boys were home from boarding school for the summer. A hands on mother would not have chosen to go off and leave them for practically the entire summer.

BIossomtoes · 09/05/2024 20:45

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 20:12

And you don’t think she might have been more ok if she hadn’t been seduced by a 30 year old with mistress, married at 18 into a toxic family, thrust into the limelight becoming the most famous woman in the world.

I mean some MNers can’t even answer their own front doors. I’d like to see them cope with that.

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She wasn’t married at 18 nor was she seduced by anything except the glamour of royalty. Remember her comment about “keeping herself tidy”? There was a reason for that. She knew what was happening, her highly ambitious father moved heaven and earth to marry one of his daughters to the heir to the throne and she was his last chance. If we’re going to blame anyone it should be him.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:45

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:41

Savile's actions impacted on numerous people and continue to do so to this day. Explain to me the impact of Diana's behaviour in her private life on people, and why the lopsided criticism of her while her ex-husband escapes it.

Honestly, talk about who you choose, criticise people whatever way you want. I am not the thought police. Don't be surprised though when people find it offensive and draw negative conclusions about the critic.

You can try to rewrite history as much as you like.

"Her ex-husband escapes it" - are we reading the same thread? Have you read the OP?

You are definitely not the "thought police" - you got that right. Are you going to 'ban' people from talking about the private lives of all historical figures or just the ones you 'allow' us to?

I am totally disinterested in any "negative conclusions" you might draw. I will say though, it works both ways.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:50

Dibbydoos · 09/05/2024 19:59

I agree @Eieiom and I think zwilliam who has a hige temper and jealousy issue is also driving it.

The press had done a huge number on Harry and Meghan when they initially loved them which is why the scoring on MN is skewed too.

Harry is my favourite younger generation royal. He's honest and admits his faults. Thankfully Americans still like him...

WTAF would William be jealous of Harry?!!

Harry and Meghan "did a huge number on Harry and Meghan" with their cruel and vicious behaviour!

"He's honest and admits his faults"????? This is so far off the mark, it's laughable. He's neither! I can't believe anyone is this gullible!

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:52

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 20:00

Honest...😂

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It brought a smile to my face too!! Deluded!!!

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:54

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:02

I think we should worry about the people who are still with us (especially the ones we are paying for). You are free to think it acceptable; I am free think the gratuitous slagging off of a deceased woman, just because you can, is tacky.

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How is a "gratuitous slagging off" when it's actual facts??!!

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:54

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:36

Of course it's not. I actually liked and admired Diana, and I was gutted when she died. I remember it like it was yesterday - I was in bed feeding my 4 month old, and it was all over the TV.

But I can't sit back and let posters put all the blame for the failure of their marriage on Charles. They were both to blame.

You are the one criticising Charles. Other posters including me are trying to redress the balance.

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I have nowhere put all the blame on Charles or claimed Diana was blameless. I actually feel sorry for him - or as much as I can feel sorry for such an immensely privileged person.

I think it is the institution of the monarchy, its perniciousness, that is to blame. It damages all those who are caught up in it. None of this should be of concern to anyone except those directly involved ie the family. Yet this is talked about and referred to as 'history' decades afterwards.

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:55

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:54

How is a "gratuitous slagging off" when it's actual facts??!!

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Well.....Diana denied it. Just saying. We are never going to know for sure either way.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:56

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 20:00

No. She'd be alive if she'd worn a seatbelt.

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And hadn't got into a car driven by a drunk man. And hadn't divested herself of her royal protection.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:56

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:55

Well.....Diana denied it. Just saying. We are never going to know for sure either way.

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Her affairs are well documented.

LuluBlakey1 · 09/05/2024 20:58

Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

Not this old tosh again. Hello Meghan!

Tuftedandbusted · 09/05/2024 20:58

There is/was the concept of 'duty' though. There was horrible pressure on them despite their privileges. Gilded cage etc. It's no wonder they're all fucked up.

I don't understand what "duty" this is. They have no actual role beyond opening some institutes and cutting ribbons. And some sort of cultural visit to former colonies who dislike them.

Americano75 · 09/05/2024 20:58

As I said earlier I was no Diana fan but this thread... Jesus.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 20:58

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:52

It brought a smile to my face too!! Deluded!!!

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Honest to god. That's actually one of the funniest things anyone has posted tonight! 😂

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:59

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:56

And hadn't got into a car driven by a drunk man. And hadn't divested herself of her royal protection.

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Victim blaming.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:59

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 20:08

No she’d be alive if she wasn’t the PoW. If she wasn’t chased by paparazzi which prompted a drunk driver to speed under a bridge trying to get away from them. She may not have survived even with a seatbelt, the bodyguard almost did not.

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She would have stood a much better chance. And why was it so imperative to get away from the paparazzi that it necessitated speeding in a tunnel by a drun driver? If she hadn't rejected her royal protection, it would never have been allowed to happen.

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 09/05/2024 20:59

I agree with you and he has always been cold person and not very affectionate. They treated his mother the same and Harry was right to speak out but just went a bit too far. But Charles put those kids through so much and imagine how they felt when he did officially get with Camilla the woman he was seeing behind their mum's back. The whole family has issues. Same as everyone else. Pierce Morgan needs counselling as he is obsessed with Harry and Meghan and his non-stop put downs is ridiculous for a grown man and the papers.. Are the royal family paying him perhaps. Think time for royal family to be slowly gone as now the Queen mother has passed it is not the same. She kept things together and had respect for her but do not for Charles, not very likeable. Feel sorry for Harry that his dad could not see him. Andrew and all that he did who should be in jail is still in the fold, does not make sense at all. Dysfunctional family like so many others except theirs is in the public eye and they get tons of money.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 20:59

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 20:59

Victim blaming.

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Oh FFS, it's the facts!

Phoebefail · 09/05/2024 21:01

Life for the RF up to QE2 was so limiting if played straight.
I know it was fiction but in the film The Queen they are at Balmoral, have just heard about the Diana Accident and Charles can't get to Paris without breaking protocol. Not able to use a Royal Aircraft as it would be a private journey. Can't charter an aircraft, Security and Safety not been approved. They were totally hemmed in by precedent and protocol.
Unfortunately Wills looks like he is going along with it all and not wanting to change.
Andy not allowed a job after the mandatory retirement from Royal Navy after completing his 22 years.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 21:02

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 09/05/2024 20:59

I agree with you and he has always been cold person and not very affectionate. They treated his mother the same and Harry was right to speak out but just went a bit too far. But Charles put those kids through so much and imagine how they felt when he did officially get with Camilla the woman he was seeing behind their mum's back. The whole family has issues. Same as everyone else. Pierce Morgan needs counselling as he is obsessed with Harry and Meghan and his non-stop put downs is ridiculous for a grown man and the papers.. Are the royal family paying him perhaps. Think time for royal family to be slowly gone as now the Queen mother has passed it is not the same. She kept things together and had respect for her but do not for Charles, not very likeable. Feel sorry for Harry that his dad could not see him. Andrew and all that he did who should be in jail is still in the fold, does not make sense at all. Dysfunctional family like so many others except theirs is in the public eye and they get tons of money.

The Queen Mother has been dead since 2002, so I can only assume that you are referring to the late Queen.

Maybe have a look at the photos of Charles with his grandson Louis on his knee at the Jubilee concert, and tell me he's a "cold person an not very affectionate" or the occasions he's embraced his much loved daughter-in-law???

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 21:03

BIossomtoes · 09/05/2024 20:45

She wasn’t married at 18 nor was she seduced by anything except the glamour of royalty. Remember her comment about “keeping herself tidy”? There was a reason for that. She knew what was happening, her highly ambitious father moved heaven and earth to marry one of his daughters to the heir to the throne and she was his last chance. If we’re going to blame anyone it should be him.

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She was engaged at 19 which is far too young, particularly for such a high profile role. KC is a very weak man.

These older women blaming a teen for being seduced by a powerful older man is nauseating and misogynist.