Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

They aren’t working members of the RF so receive no public money.
They will no doubt have inheritance and trust funds but I suppose most upper class families would have too.

Wasn’t it because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt? I don’t think you (one) can really say something happened years later because a marriage didn’t work out. We’d all drive ourselves insane if we thought about how every decision we make now affects things that happen to us far into the future.

I had wondered that, so thank you for clarifying. I thought there were still several Kings and Queens, Princes and Princesses roaming the earth. Denmark, Spain, Jordan, Sweden...... (not sure if all of those are correct though)

She was married at 20.
She loved it, because she loved the attention. She loved being a princess. I do feel sorry for her though because I think she had MH problems that now would be better supported.
I do not know why people on here never open their own front doors. Diana never did because she had a butler to do it for her.

She met him at 18. I don’t know why people invent fantasy bollocks about someone they’ve never met. Loved being a princess? You’ve no idea.

She met him when she was 16.
She herself said that she was happy in the early days. Watch the early footage, there's clearly happiness and closeness there. There is nothing wrong with enjoying being a princess. Like I said, I do feel sorry for her because I think she needed help and didn't get it.

I really don’t think anything is ‘Charles fault’ or he is ‘selfish’. He was forced to marry someone he didn’t truly love to begin with - same as Diana! Everything was just so planned FOR THEM.

Genuinely I feel sorry for the entire royal family! I wouldn’t trade places with them ever. To be under that much pressure and scrutiny from such a young age can only be damaging!!

Charles was also a child once who was raised in the royal family!

We can’t compare any of their situations to normal circumstances

How about not glossing over history?

Harry has been totally spoiled. His abuse of polo ponies, covered up by the queen.
How he thought it was acceptable to dress up as a nazi then had the audacity to say William and Kate had put him up to it.
No I think while his upbringing was dysfunctional he's a sulky petulant man child.

Bit of a grey area isn’t it?

Beatrice and Eugenie definitely do charity work based presumably on the fact that they are royal and they both had professional or sponsored incomes at one point while doing charity work too. Whether they are working or sahps now I am not sure.

I meant met properly and started dating. When she was 16 she was dating her sister and they were only briefly introduced. I’m not convinced she did enjoy being a princess much, it’s a double edged sword. But don’t let that get in the way of your royal fantasy.

She met him before 18 as he was doing her sister. I personally wouldn’t have said yes to my sister’s sloppy seconds. She could have said no, he could have said no. For their own reasons they both said yes.
The RF obviously took this on board, hence William being able to marry a commoner

Yes around then and I don't agree with you. I genuinely believe that if Charles had gone into that marriage honestly and determined to make it work it may well have done so, or if it failed, with not the bitterness. I think his deceit from the start must have been overwhelming when she realised. She was very young and quite naive. Him, and the Palace protocols and culture, would have destroyed most of us. That is partly why even nearly 20 years on I am not keen on Camilla, and do regard her interest in domestic abuse with suspicion. After all her current husband gaslit his then wife (much younger, far less power etc etc). Textbook abuser. No wonder she became unwell. And why he did that? Well many of those reasons are NOW well documented but not so much at the time, and does it excuse that behaviour? Not sure.

I think Charles is doing OK as a King but bloody hell he has had long enough to prepare.

I know H&M don't live off the taxpayer. Never said they did. They live off slagging off the Windsors.

I don't think it is as simple as that. But as they have chosen to be private citizens, live overseas and not be funded by the taxpayer, why should you care so much how they live?

You can criticise women, and women who are dead and not be misogynist. I criticised Margaret Thatcher only this morning.

I agree it is not automatically misogynistic to criticise women. And many criticise MT on the grounds of her actions and policies that impacted on others to this day. But criticism of a deceased woman due to disapproval of her private life - with no corresponding criticism of the still-living man involved - looks very like gratuitous misogyny to me. Not saying it is, just that it looks that way.

Right. You said they met when she was 18.
But you meant dated?
I think it was all a dreadful mess and a lot of pain was caused. However. I just baulk at the St Diana narrative by some on here. She was a flawed human like we all are. It wasn't a simplistic tale.
(notice how sweet I am not to be rude back about your "fantasy bollocks" dig 😘)

How is a dead woman's private life 'history'?

Yes, but she appears to have been an unusually dopey young woman from an astonishingly dysfunctional background — naive, intellectually under-endowed despite her expensive education, unambitious, clueless, easily influenced. Someone offered her a role and she went along with it.

Michelle Obama said "when they go low, we go high". Great woman. So many personal insults on here. I don't see why we can't just discuss 💁! !

If you are going to use that flawed logic, maybe you should also leave Savile's memory in peace?

Now see how fucking ridiculous that is!!

She had family, friends and parents who allowed her to go through with it. Can’t put the blame solely on QE

Are you actually being serious???

Diana is part of Royal history. She is the mother of a future King. Maybe we should stop talking about the Duke of Windsor being a Nazi sympathiser because he's dead, and that was his private life? God almighty, catch a grip!

Because she is part of British history. There is no real privacy in the RF. She will be spoke about forever in some or another.

Of course it's not. I actually liked and admired Diana, and I was gutted when she died. I remember it like it was yesterday - I was in bed feeding my 4 month old, and it was all over the TV.

But I can't sit back and let posters put all the blame for the failure of their marriage on Charles. They were both to blame.

You are the one criticising Charles. Other posters including me are trying to redress the balance.

The chances of her being alive were very high had she been wearing a belt. The tear she got in a vein which ultimately killed her was due to the massive jolt she got, which wouldn't have happened with the belt on.

She was speaking after the impact and I remember the initial reports saying "seriously injured", and there was optimism. The pathologist on the case said it was such a tiny tear, he is in no doubt she would have walked away from that with only minor injuries with her belt on.

I stayed up all night to wait for an update and of course we then got it that was surreal. The only other thing that comes close to it in my mind was watching the second plane hit the twin towers live as it happened. Diana's death (and that whole week) was unlike anything else.

I meant met properly not just said hello in a conservatory.

Well I baulk at RF obsessives (I checked your post history).