Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

[Eieiom]

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

Yes, there were three in Julia Carling's marriage too.

How about leaving Diana's memory in peace? She has been dead over 25 years and doesn't need to impress anyone any more. BTW she denied making those calls and isn't here to defend herself.

Gary Lineker passed up the opportunity.
Also, famously, Alan Rickman.
Both men rose in my esteem.

I'm not sure Meghan has much of a work ethic considering a Spotify exec called her and Harry
" fucking grifters".

I actually think she has lots of ideas but zero patience and follow through. Her projects remind me of my ADHD. She needs to focus on one project and be patient. Slow and steady. Not release things until they are ready.

I think she's smart, but she believed her own hype too much. I loved her blog. I wish she would go back to that.

I actually read some of her book recommendations and they were great. The Tao of Pooh and Te of Piglet. The Four Agreements. The Motivation Manifesto.

Her issue in my opinion is she wants to be loved and adored by everyone all the time. It's not realistic. The US has tabloids she just wasn't that famous. Every huge celebrity deals with haters as much as fans.

I don't think her and Harry can handle criticism. Right or wrong they can't handle it from people they know and people they don't know. It's not conducive to celebrity life to be thinned skinned. And they moved to LA for celebrity life.

I'm not sure why people are so desperate for Harry's visa to be refused. Why is how other countries hand out visas such a massive issue? Were people up in arms about all the druggy pop stars who have sldp been given visas? Do they want him deported from the US to come back here? His wife and children are American. I suspect that what some people would like is for Harry to come back here alone and beg forgiveness from his ' real' family- the Royals. He would be completely forgiven, despite most of the muck being thrown by him. I suspect they wouldn't care if he was separated from his children either. Because it's likely that is what would happen.

It is entirely acceptable to talk about people no longer living should we decide it's pertinent to do so.

I read somewhere that some of the conditions of them meeting up couldn't be agreed to. I think Harry didn't want camilla in the room and KC said ' tough titty she stays '

Sorry you've lost me. I don't know what you are referring to now.

How do we know PC didn’t suggest a meet up & H said no? PC wouldn’t blab.

She was doomed in that "relationship" from the start. Remember Charlie boy's "whatever in love means" line in their interview before they even got married?.

She was in love, so was he (just not with her)

Throwing herself down the stairs, and meeting all those men, she was alone in that marraige. She was starved off attention as anyone would be in that set up.

You should read what Patrick Jephson has to say about the nuisance call debacle.

The timing of it was very interesting for a start when both Charles and Diana were both trying to win over public approval to their side. It suited many people that Diana was framed as a “mad hysteric” whwn her private secretary who worked for her for eight years said she could be difficult but was always “very grounded”.

Second, Patrick Jephson said there were “many unanswered questions about the whole imbroglio.”

He says that when the story broke, “I asked a contact in the Royalty and Diplomatic Protection Group if there had been such an investigation and if there was a printout of the calls made.
“The answer was ‘yes’ to both questions.” However, within 24 hours the printout was missing.”

I don’t really care, she’s dead. Which she probably wouldn’t be if a 30 year old man had left her alone.

I agree @Eieiom and I think zwilliam who has a hige temper and jealousy issue is also driving it.

The press had done a huge number on Harry and Meghan when they initially loved them which is why the scoring on MN is skewed too.

Harry is my favourite younger generation royal. He's honest and admits his faults. Thankfully Americans still like him...

No. She'd be alive if she'd worn a seatbelt.

Honest...😂

I think we should worry about the people who are still with us (especially the ones we are paying for). You are free to think it acceptable; I am free think the gratuitous slagging off of a deceased woman, just because you can, is tacky.

I would say that gratuitous slagging off of anyone is tacky.
That's how Harry and Meghan make their living though.

If he was Joe Bloggs he would be getting slaughtered on here. Topics started on here about husbands and boyfriends who haven't behaved anything as bad as he did the original poster has been met with LTB responses.

Ultimately there is a huge reverence for the monarch, that's the difference.

Diana, for all her faults, began a marraige with someone who was in love with another woman.

No she’d be alive if she wasn’t the PoW. If she wasn’t chased by paparazzi which prompted a drunk driver to speed under a bridge trying to get away from them. She may not have survived even with a seatbelt, the bodyguard almost did not.

Really? I love Alan Rickman. Diana hit on him?

I loved Diana for what she did for the Aids epidemic. I think she was genuinely kind and sensitive.

I also think she likely had BPD and was a handful to deal with. I think William suffered a lot with her as his mother.

I think her childhood greatly affected her and she needed a quiet life with stability and therapy more than anything.

I loved the compassion she brought to her work but I think she was very flawed.

My best friend has BPD. I love her so much but it's such a complicated relationship. Her DH and my DH were best friends since school. The three of us lived together when Joel met her.

There relationship was really awful though. Huge ups and downs. She was ultimately quite abusive to him. He died tragically at 31. For someone with BPD his death was extra horrific for her.

I love her like a sister and she has incredible kindness but she is also explosive and unstable. Has had affairs with married men since. Has an explosive relationship with her now teenager DD. People are rarely all good or all bad.

I feel for Diana. I feel for Charles. I feel for William and Harry.

Harry is now a grown middle-aged man though. It's time to grow up and move one. He can accomplish great things like Invictus but not if he continues to focus on selling out his family.

Him and Meghan have so many opportunities to change the world. If anything that's the legacy he should be focusing on from his mother.

It pains me that all this opportunity is being squandered on public complaints and jam.

Again: Harry and Meghan do not live off the UK taxpayer.

It is particularly tacky to slag off a long-dead woman on the grounds that she 'had affairs' and gloss over Charles' contributions to the failure of their marriage. It looks awfully like misogyny to me - and on a site that is about supporting women!

Excellent points, @Josette77 👍
Diana wasn't a saint, she was a troubled and an unwell person. Good points about H&M.

People need to stop blaming the rest of their lives on their childhoods. A huge number of people have parents with acrimonious divorces, parents who die (sometimes both!) etc etc. The vast majority have no choice but to get on with it rather than moan & whine.

And you don’t think she might have been more ok if she hadn’t been seduced by a 30 year old with mistress, married at 18 into a toxic family, thrust into the limelight becoming the most famous woman in the world.

I mean some MNers can’t even answer their own front doors. I’d like to see them cope with that.

1. I know H&M don't live off the taxpayer. Never said they did. They live off slagging off the Windsors.
2. You can criticise women, and women who are dead and not be misogynist. I criticised Margaret Thatcher only this morning.