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Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

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MaryFuckingFerguson · 09/05/2024 19:21

I think Harry might be the only one of them with a bit of emotional intelligence. But then I liked his book and couldn’t see anything offensive in it 🤷‍♀️What was clear though, was that he loves his dad, even though his dad is emotionally unavailable.

CurlewKate · 09/05/2024 19:22

"And nobody ticks the form to say they have used drugs unless they have been convicted. Absolutely no one."

Including me!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/05/2024 19:23

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 18:27

It was an open secret for years what Savile was like and I just don't believe Charles didn't know too. This is a family whose children's school friends are vetted before they can associate with them.

Yes, and he's also surrounded by advisers, who could almost certainly have discovered the truth about Savile if only their principal had been prepared to listen

They could even have explained what Peter Ball's conviction actually meant, since Charles claimed not to understand, but no - he clearly thought he knew better

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 19:23

CurlewKate · 09/05/2024 19:22

"And nobody ticks the form to say they have used drugs unless they have been convicted. Absolutely no one."

Including me!

You would be crazy to. Drug use in Britain is very very common. And travelling to the US on holiday is very very common. Everyone lies, and I am sure the US know that.

DeeCee7 · 09/05/2024 19:23

BeaRF75 · 09/05/2024 11:38

Those of us around in the 80s and 90s know that there were two sides to the story, and Diana was by no means blameless.
And Harry has publicly trashed his entire family, so there's two sides to that too.
None of us know what goes on in families, but OP's assessment of the King is unnecessarily harsh and one-sided

I was around. Let's not pretend Diana wasn't completely shafted. He was ringing Camilla on the evening before his wedding to Diana. There were "three people" in the marraige as she said in the interview.

Although Harry has behaved like an entitled brat (his obnoxious wife has definitely had an impact on him), I can understand him lashing out, both at Charles and the media (paps especially). The former was cold to his mum in their marraige, while the latter could be very cruel to her (Jenny Bond I remember asking Diana a question that deeply upset her).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/05/2024 19:26

MaryFuckingFerguson · 09/05/2024 19:21

I think Harry might be the only one of them with a bit of emotional intelligence. But then I liked his book and couldn’t see anything offensive in it 🤷‍♀️What was clear though, was that he loves his dad, even though his dad is emotionally unavailable.

I can only think these sort of comments are aimed at those who haven't read Spare in an attempt to convince them

Of course we all take different things from a text, but frankly to suggest it was anything but a bilefest scampers along the margins of the surreal for me

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:28

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/05/2024 19:26

I can only think these sort of comments are aimed at those who haven't read Spare in an attempt to convince them

Of course we all take different things from a text, but frankly to suggest it was anything but a bilefest scampers along the margins of the surreal for me

Indeed. It is a book filled with petty point scoring and nasty jibes. I think parts of it are unintentionally funny, but parts are just unkind and unnecessary.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:30

DeeCee7 · 09/05/2024 19:23

I was around. Let's not pretend Diana wasn't completely shafted. He was ringing Camilla on the evening before his wedding to Diana. There were "three people" in the marraige as she said in the interview.

Although Harry has behaved like an entitled brat (his obnoxious wife has definitely had an impact on him), I can understand him lashing out, both at Charles and the media (paps especially). The former was cold to his mum in their marraige, while the latter could be very cruel to her (Jenny Bond I remember asking Diana a question that deeply upset her).

I think you might "lash out" when you're 15, not when you're pushing 40 and have the means and opportunity to get top class therapy and support.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 19:31

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 18:46

If she was that much of a social climber she would do better to have stayed put in the RF surely?

Nah, can't make enough money or do any of her fleeting vanity projects that way. This way she has the titles, but not the grunt work.

Ooof · 09/05/2024 19:31

Eieiom · 09/05/2024 18:34

I see a big explainer article has been updated in the Daily Mail this evening about the "real reason" KC didn't meet Harry. God they are fast off the mark.

@Runnerinthenight didn't say it was ok to sell stories. But I think it's a forgivable offence especially with people you are supposed to love.

See I don't think much of a future was planned for Harry. KC had long expressed a preference to slim down the monarchy and with their good genes/lifestyles there was every reason to think that KC, W+K and their kids (when grown) would all be working at the same time.
As for working, I'm talking about jobs, skills, training. Very few of the extended RF have anything remotely resembling that in their lives, and that lack of structure/purpose is not good for a person.

What’s genes got to do with anything?
B&E both work jobs. As do Anne’s. They have all worked. Extended royals have to work real jobs because they aren’t working royals

Figgygal · 09/05/2024 19:32

Nah Harry made his bed
No doubt he was traumatised by losing his mother but Charles actually seemed to want to learn from the cold relationship he had with his own parents and be a good Father. They all seemed to adore harry but it was never enough.
After Oprah and his book there's no way back.
Also hes got bloody cancer and is the bloody king he's got enough to be getting on with than investing anymore time or emotions on that one.

pikkumyy77 · 09/05/2024 19:33

In families, as in politics, it is always wiser to keep difficult people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. Of course it was senior members of the family that had the most power in the relationship and chose to use it to estrange H and M rather than hold them closer. That is because senior members the family had the power.

Im personally sorry that Hand M left. As an anglophile and a sometime watcher of the RF I thought they brought glamour, style, and a certain sense of charm to the RF. So I think it was short sighted and foolish to have pushed them out the door. But that was clearly what happened. If I’d been the RF I would have paid a lot of money to keep them onside.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 19:33

The kind of jobs they do are the kind rich people do. Its jobs with part time and flexible hours that allows a lot of holidays.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 19:34

DeeCee7 · 09/05/2024 19:23

I was around. Let's not pretend Diana wasn't completely shafted. He was ringing Camilla on the evening before his wedding to Diana. There were "three people" in the marraige as she said in the interview.

Although Harry has behaved like an entitled brat (his obnoxious wife has definitely had an impact on him), I can understand him lashing out, both at Charles and the media (paps especially). The former was cold to his mum in their marraige, while the latter could be very cruel to her (Jenny Bond I remember asking Diana a question that deeply upset her).

I was around too. I was in 6th form when it was announced that they were engaged. There was huge pressure on Charles and had been for some time, to settle down.

There were a lot more than 3 people in the marriage, when you count in Diana's numerous lovers! Diana wasn't completely shafted! She acquired money, power and influence that otherwise she could only have dreamed of.

DeeCee7 · 09/05/2024 19:36

strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 12:17

Diana fucked around - a lot. There was a secret entrance she was known to use to get her lovers in and out of the palace.

She once sat in a car outside an ex lover's house all night phoning his home and hanging up again. She knew he was there with his wife.

She was bulimic and self harmed and once threw herself down a flight of stairs while pregnant.

She mocked one of her nannies who'd just had a miscarriage, she thought it was Charles's kid - no evidence for that. She had another nanny sacked because Will loved her.

This is all well established fact. There's plenty more she got up to as well.

She behaved like an insanely jealous woman desperate for attention, validation and love who could not bear feeling rejected. She would make deep friendships really quickly, then ditch them at any perceived slight.

She also appeared to be often kind, to love her sons and to sometimes have a big, warm and charitable heart.

But enough with the poor Diana fairy tale. Being married to her must have been a fucking nightmare.

If she was around today doing the same things she was doing back then I'd be shocked if she wasn't diagnosed with at least one personality disorder.

And back then, her behaviours were kept far quieter. If the internet had been around and smart phones she'd have been up shit creek without a paddle.

Charles was undoubtedly quite reserved, probably not a great husband, and he definitely loved another woman.

Under the thumb of the Queen and the monarchy he did the wrong thing and married a young woman who was pretending to be normal, lighthearted and malleable. Diana was none of those things.

When he realised it couldn't work he should have just told her he didn't love her and was planning to start seeing Camilla again. Perhaps he did, none of us know.

Camilla was and is very clearly the love of his life - the main thing he did wrong was to give into pressure to give her up and try to be a husband to Diana.

Charles has many faults, but she was a disaster.

Harry was a little shit years ago, when he wore spurs and slashed his horse deliberately when playing Polo - NOBODY else on the field wore spurs. When he wore a Nazi uniform to a party. When he was known for sitting in a bunker playing on the PlayStation while the real soldiers defended him. When he screwed around, got pished and fell into pools, did drugs and generally acted like an entitled little Hooray Henry. He was still a little shit when he squawked and squealed about how terrible his deeply privileged life was.

He's a lying little oik who threw his family under the bus because he thought he was special. Now he knows he was only special because his family protected him and he was born into great good fortune.

He's realising to his cost that he now has nobody. His wife has left him to return to England all alone at least four times since she encouraged him to slag them off in public in their Netflix special.

Hope it was worth it, because when she ditches him, he's truly fucked.

He's proven he's the sort of person who will write books about private family arguments - Willy shoved me and broke my necklace! Willy's going bald now, ha ha- and other such classic quotes (I didn't read the book, absolutely never will, but the quotes were all over the internet).

Harry will never again be allowed to enter the inner sanctum and it's not about spite - he just cannot be trusted. None of them can let him anywhere near him.

Charles, selfish? Maybe. Harry, an entitled little shit? Absolutely. And his long dead mother a nightmare and total loon? Indisputably.

Time Harry grew up. The Monarchy will be lucky to have one more king, it's on its last legs (not that I care) and a lot of that is down to Ginge and Whinge and their hysterical fairytales.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-taunted-lover-oliver-13229537
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/princess-diana-boyfriends-lovers
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7624858/princess-diana-devastated-prince-william-adored-nanny/
https://www.womanandhome.com/life/royal-news/princess-diana-used-princess-margarets-secret-path-to-hide-lovers-at-kensington-palace/

Edited

Was nodding my head along to alot of this. So much truth here.

Wouldn't be excusing Charles as easily though, he treated his newly-wed like garbage.

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 19:36

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 19:34

I was around too. I was in 6th form when it was announced that they were engaged. There was huge pressure on Charles and had been for some time, to settle down.

There were a lot more than 3 people in the marriage, when you count in Diana's numerous lovers! Diana wasn't completely shafted! She acquired money, power and influence that otherwise she could only have dreamed of.

She only ended up having affairs because KC had no real interest in her.

She realised they were still involved before the wedding but too late to call it off.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 19:36

pikkumyy77 · 09/05/2024 19:33

In families, as in politics, it is always wiser to keep difficult people inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. Of course it was senior members of the family that had the most power in the relationship and chose to use it to estrange H and M rather than hold them closer. That is because senior members the family had the power.

Im personally sorry that Hand M left. As an anglophile and a sometime watcher of the RF I thought they brought glamour, style, and a certain sense of charm to the RF. So I think it was short sighted and foolish to have pushed them out the door. But that was clearly what happened. If I’d been the RF I would have paid a lot of money to keep them onside.

That's balderdash! The RF wanted them to stay, but they left because they weren't allowed to do in on their terms.

They were not "pushed out the door". They ran off in a huff, because they weren't allowed to make money as senior royals.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 19:36

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 19:36

She only ended up having affairs because KC had no real interest in her.

She realised they were still involved before the wedding but too late to call it off.

Do you know that for a fact?

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 19:37

Diana was a teenager. Charles was32 years old. It was a disgrace. And I thought so at the time.

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 19:37

DeeCee7 · 09/05/2024 19:23

I was around. Let's not pretend Diana wasn't completely shafted. He was ringing Camilla on the evening before his wedding to Diana. There were "three people" in the marraige as she said in the interview.

Although Harry has behaved like an entitled brat (his obnoxious wife has definitely had an impact on him), I can understand him lashing out, both at Charles and the media (paps especially). The former was cold to his mum in their marraige, while the latter could be very cruel to her (Jenny Bond I remember asking Diana a question that deeply upset her).

Absolutely. It’s a classic Henry James plot - young ingenue played by older couple involved with each other.

Livingtothefull · 09/05/2024 19:37

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 19:31

Nah, can't make enough money or do any of her fleeting vanity projects that way. This way she has the titles, but not the grunt work.

There are quite enough members of the RF - the ones we are still paying for, unlike Meghan - who don't have much of a work ethic. Meghan & Harry left years ago, whether people like them is really neither here nor there.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:38

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 19:36

She only ended up having affairs because KC had no real interest in her.

She realised they were still involved before the wedding but too late to call it off.

What nonsense.
Have you watched the wedding? She was loving every moment and absolutely thrilled to bits!

Illegally18 · 09/05/2024 19:38

Kesio · 09/05/2024 11:17

The roots are far deeper than that. I personally think Charles is one of the victims of it all, not the root cause. He was forced to marry a virgin (subjected to virginity tests) for example. The woman he loved wasn’t a virgin!

Diana didn't undergo a virginity test, she underwent a test to check that she wouldn't have problems conceiving or giving birth. A fertility test, if you will. The media turned it into a virginity test because it sold more papers. You have to remember that this was 1980, when being a 20 year old virgin was considered an extraordinary thing

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:39

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 19:37

Diana was a teenager. Charles was32 years old. It was a disgrace. And I thought so at the time.

19 is an adult woman.
Don't infantilise her. Plenty of people in the UK got married at 19! because plenty of people left school at 16!
She wasn't a child.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 19:40

Illegally18 · 09/05/2024 19:38

Diana didn't undergo a virginity test, she underwent a test to check that she wouldn't have problems conceiving or giving birth. A fertility test, if you will. The media turned it into a virginity test because it sold more papers. You have to remember that this was 1980, when being a 20 year old virgin was considered an extraordinary thing

The media at the time said it was a virginity test. People were wtf, but article after article explained why she had to be a virgin.

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