Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

I think the King is spoiled rather than selfish. He famously has a bad temper (seems to run in the male line) and simply expected his wife to grin and bear the existence of his mistress(es) he had quite the harem at one time.I think he believed Diana to be a malleable wallflower rather than the exotic bird of paradise she became. Thank goodness she escaped the gilded cage,although for all too brief a time.
Harry I think is a kind of nice but dim character. There's no doubt losing his mother was a blow to him (and his brother) but he's no longer that child walking, heartbroken behind a coffin. He was mature enough to serve his country with all that entailed and could very well have become one of the star royals. I don't believe Diana would have cheered his decision to step back, I think she would have told him to steel his spine and outshine the lot of them as the best revenge for being "the Spare".
I also believe she would have expected more loyalty to his brother, especially as hers had let her down so badly when she asked him for a safe place.

It baffles me as to quite how invested some people seem to get on the relationships within the royal family, and how upset some people seem to be that Harry dared leave the fold.

I honestly think it's the best decision anyone could make. I don't understand why anyone would want to be part of it. What I've read in this thread alone goes to show that they are all watched and judged and nobody is free from harsh criticism from people that don't know them. It comes with privilege, sure, but what a price to pay for that.

Anyway, it was nice to see Harry reunited with his family at the Invictus Games. It looked like a genuinely happy reunion.

He doesn't have to "fucking think" he is anyone. He is hereditary monarch by right of birth. Like it or lump it.

Exactly. Neither Charles nor Margaret were 'victims', they made their own choices.

Harry comes across as having a chip on his shoulder a mile wide, looking for anyone to blame but himself. He's immature and unfortunately he's married to someone who thrives on drama and encourages victimhood, instead of pointing out that the best form of revenge is to live a good life. No need at all for all the so-called revelations, and there's no doubt plenty in Harry's own cupboard (if or when it comes to light) that rattles like the proverbial skeleton.

I'm sure that Charles had his faults as a parent, but no doubt so did Diana. People move on.

Whether you approve or royalty or not Charles has a job to do. And he needs to preserve the monarchy because that's what his life is. Harry and Meghan are both a toxic influence and are never done causing trouble. And what about Meghan ghosting her Father. Why is that ok. Charles has done the right thing under the circumstances.

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I'm lumping it. 😭😭 Hopefully things are changing and there will come a point where having a royal family is seen as irrelevant and inappropriate. Younger generations are much less likely to support the RF.

It wasn't a lie I don't think - it was the plan at the time. Maybe if the Queen had died much younger, then it would have happened that way.

I admire Camilla actually (and I most certainly would not have said that years ago!) for tolerating all the abuse flung at her, and sometimes still is. She rose above it all, and just got on with things. She does some really good charity work, and I think that people can see she and Charles are happy together.

@quizzys He is head of the Church of England because his ancestor Henry VIII invented it, so it would be rather tricky for him to step down from that one. 😂

Lump away. I don't see any sign of anything changing any time soon, thankfully.

Younger generations won't always be young, so there's time for them to change their tune.

It baffles me as to quite how invested some people seem to get on the relationships within the royal family, and how upset some people seem to be that Harry dared leave the fold.

Me too, I mentally file these people under 'not my types'.

I don't care what happens to any very close friend of Jimmy Savile or his fucking offspring.

We shouldn't even have a monarchy anymore, they are all morally bankrupt and not worthy of our attention. I don't know why everyone is trying so hard to humanise them.

Again - the Crown isn’t involving itself in the system of government - it’s currently an integral part of our parliamentary model. The King has no power to change anything about the system of constitutional monarchy - he steps down or not - he is simply replaced by the next in line to be monarch. He has no choice over the system - in fact as the senior royals don’t even vote he has less power than the average citizen to change the system.

As soon as a majority of the public decide they want a different parliamentary model we can have one.

The reason we have an unelected head of state is because the significant majority of the public still want one.

This was exactly how I felt.
How did any of that help anyone?
I was reeling after interview.
And I used to love O P.

I could never understand why she was at their wedding- which was such a lovely occasion.

Harry is jobless and has the funds to travel, he could have agreed a time to see his Father and flown over but he choose to stop in the UK for a very short business trip. It is not always someone else's fault.

Because there is global interest in the RF especially in the States, because they have mutual friends, because she was friends with his cousin, because they were actually communicating via Instagram?

But you are right she didn't exactly say that after he said "I had never heard of Meghan before" (which appears to be an out and out lie) then she followed that with she didn't know much about him - right 🤔It's all moot as it seems both of them were talking twaddle then

Course he's selfish. Never done a day's work in his life and lets the taxpayer pay for him and the rest of the parasitic family. It's more than selfish, it's fucking obscene.
Meghan Markel is the only one of them to have earned her way in life in merit- no wonder she wants nothing to do with them.

No, I remeber the official line being very emphatic, I'm not sure how the timing of the queen's death could have affected things.

I've said upthread that I don't think she had any option in the circumstances to do anything but stay silent while the men in grey suits did their thing. Also, I think she's quite adept at getting her own narrative into the public domain, just in a quieter fashion.

I've nothing really against the woman myself, but then it wasn't my husband/dad she was shagging behind my/my mum's back.

I don't know many families who would forgive a son/brother who had repeatedly, publicly and internationally slated his family time and time again on various platforms He eventually moved countries to apparently avoid them but continued firing the bullets. Harry and the equally odious Megan are a pair of spoilt, self serving, grabby, greedy entitled grifters. Whatever his father may or may not have done in the past, he's very ill as is Kate. If H wanted to see his father he could have a stayed as long as neccesary to see him or maybe Charles actually didn't want to see him after all the the continuous hate his "son" has written about him. Obviously the boat with PC & P has long sailed. For any chance of forgiveness people usually have to make a big apology and stop spewing the vitriol. The pair of brats will never apologise or stop so work it out for yourself Harry why your family have disowned you.

If my father gave me a substantial sum of money, I would think he was a cold selfish bastard too 🙄

I tell you what though, I think MM has got off lightly compared to Wallis Simpson. Stories were abound that she was intersex and that she had learned all kinds of sexual tricks in a brothel.

Absolutely. I blame my mum and my grandma 😂 but I really do love our RF.

I think Harry’s getting a taste of his own medicine.
He didn’t give a thought about the upset his behaviour would cause to his elderly, infirm grandparents…or his brother or Catherine.
Harry thinks he has been very clever, but I’m sure the message is hitting home.
How many people marrying a famous member of a royal family in pomp and circumstance would have no one - not one person to bring but their mother?
Not even distant family, school friends….no one.
Told me all I needed to know before the grifting even started!

On the basis of using logic..i.e. you don't have true access to the facts..you can't make a meaningful judgement...you can only speculate.

I agree, op. But what do we expect after the awful childhood he had.

This. I'm afraid I don't really get the relentless hostility towards Harry; in case anyone hasn't noticed, he left the RF and the country 4 years ago, is a private citizen who no longer lives of the public purse. So what everyone thinks of him is really irrelevant.

That is the worst about the monarchy; the sense of 'ownership' that people (their most earnest supporters) have over its members. As if Harry isn't entitled to leave his family and make his own life, just like the rest of them. He didn't ask to be born into the RF after all.

It is just an accident of history that we don't have a 'King Andrew', and just a matter of time until we get one. Although it has to be said that the current King is also no slouch when it comes to being best friends with pervs and paedos, Savile among them.

Bullshit.